Here’s a good piece to go with the one above. It’s a first person account from a Republican volunteer about how the Party screwed up the game on the ground.
Nobama based his campaign on micro-campaigns to targeted groups. Wonder what all the kids who voted for Nobama will think when the money for school dries up, he doesn’t cut their student loan debts in half, the Obamaphones stop ringing and, thanks to Obamacare, there’s fewer jobs? To top it off, he wants amnesty for illegals so todays college grads will have even MORE people to contend against for jobs. What fun!
Oh, and I would LOVE to see the faces on the young gals who voted Nobama back into the White House when they, as single women, have free contraceptives and NO JOBS. Maybe Eva Longoria can get them jobs as extras in Hollywood?
They may not be working, but at least they don’t have to worry about getting pregnant…or a retirement plan.
Then there’s the blacks who called themselves Christians while voting for the Party of Death. Their families will remain fractured, their illegitimacy numbers high, their unemployed numbers higher and their faith a pathetic joke. Calling themselves Christians while voting for a man who condones infanticide is beyond this evangelical.
The Hispanics may actually get something out of their slavish devotion to the Dems, but I think there is already a movement afoot to slap Boehners overly-tanned face and yell, “Snap out of it!”. Illegals are already making demands and we know how well THAT worked in the past.
As for the Asians, I don’t get it. Many are professionals and well-educated and yet they supported Nobama. Again, can’t wait for the bellyaching to start when the taxes hit- and MANY of them will be in the $200K range so they will be considered “rich”. Their curry will be cooked before they even know it.
The gays are the only group who seem to be getting everything they want. Evidently the 30 years of brainwashing our young paid off. Next up will be the advocates for polygamy and incest ( as long as they are consenting adults, who is hurt? Right? )
followed by the NorthAmericanManBoyLoveAssociation (NAMBLA) and the sheep lovers.
They make Sodom and Gommorah look like the Amish.
I’m ordering my “Don’t Blame Me- I Voted Romney-Ryan!” bumpersticker.
At least while the country is going to rack and ruin we can get some entertainment value out of it. Pop the corn and pull up the TV!
Okay, patriotmom, I’m with you! Now, what are WE going to DO about it? Not trying to pick on you, patriotmom, just trying to get our energies focused on an ACTION plan! We’ve got two years until the midterms and four years until the next presidential race. What are WE going to DO between now and then to get OUR agenda implemented?
Blame? It starts with our current elected officials who were disinterested from the beginning in confronting Obama about a million different things. They went along with his appointments (ie Holder, Kagan). They went along with his reversal on weapon defense in Poland/ Czech Republic. They went along with Fast and Furious. We still have not tried the Fort Hood terrorist. Dream Act Amnesty. The list is endless. (And certainly does not include any questions about Obama’s suspicious background). Their silence is acquiescence. Conservative values are a message. But Rhinos are not interested in taking time out from the glory they receive in Wash. DC. Also, the “Party” begins with the Precinct. I have Never been contacted by someone from the Precinct (and that includes one who is my neighbor). The list of them includes all the insiders.
Blame? I don’t think that blame is going to give Conservatives power. How do you think that Conservatives can prevail in the midterm elections, LouiseAnn?
I don’t believe they will prevail as the Rhino part of the party can’t stand the conservative party. What did Boehner say about the Tea Party? Inconsequential? There are not enough people that understand (or want to understand) conservative – especially Fiscal Conservative- ideas. It is not my experience that rational thought will change their mind.
When Franklin Delano Roosevelt shared with a friend his ideas for combating the Great Depression, his friend said, “What if you fail?” Roosevelt replied, “Perhaps we shall fail. Nevertheless, we shall try!” Regardless of what we think of Roosevelt’s policies, overcoming the phycial limitations placed on him by polio made him tough and determined.
We can come up with limitless reasons for not making an effort but we are only kidding ourselves! If they are going to prevail, I’m at least going to make it as hard as possible for them. They aren’t going to get a free ride! If I go down, I’m going down fighting, knowing that I personally did everything I could to stop them!
A huge problem that has gone unnoticed is the growth of mail-in balloting. Hispanic groups across the country have gamed the system in three simple steps:
1) register Hispanic voters who would normally not vote, speak little to no English and/or are politcally aloof
2) have the newly registered voter request an early mail-in ballot
3) instruct the voter to HOLD their ballot until someone returns to help them complete it
I witnessed this process going on in 2004, and it has grown like a cancer ever since. The only way this can be stopped is to eliminate or outlaw mail-in voting across the country. Another needed change is to eliminate access by the public to “ballot received” lists, which the Parraz group used to contact voters. Additionally, many of you may have received a notice from a Virginia group telling you which of your neighbors did and did not vote. Is that information the “business” of you or your neighbors?
The protestors currently squatting at the AZ Secretary of State’s office claim they registered over 30,000 new Hispanic voters. When have we EVER seen protests over delayed ballot counting? Why are they so anxious?
How do you think we could go about eliminating mail-in voting and access to “ballot received” lists, ZOO? Contact our members of Congress? A ballot initiative? What do you think it would take to bring that about?
Through our state legislature, euby. I called the SOS when I got the “look who voted” letter and complained. A local station also covered the subject and reported people were damned unhappy about it.
On the mail-in ballots, I understand some would complain about losing the convenience of “voting at home” and the Dems would scream “voter suppression.”
But to have dozens of groups like La Raza, Lulac, Chicanos Por La Causa, etc. going into people’s homes and coaching them on how to vote is massive fraud; they might as well be going into the voting booth with them. This must stop, and if it means giving up the convenience of ‘armchair voting’ then so be it.
I’ll even go a step further and estimate up to a third of all Hispanic votes were “manufactured” in this fashion. I saw a Hispanic neighborhood “canvassed” by Chicanos PLC and my friend’s Hispanic neighbor told him he was directed to HOLD his ballot and wait for help filling it out. And that was in 2004, just think has massive it is now!
Okay! So it’s the state legislature then which can put a stop to the “see who voted” letters? That applies to presidential elections as well? Who do we need to put the heat on in the state legislature and how will eliminating that letter help get Conservatives elected?
It’s a well documented fact that there’s hanky panky with mail in ballots among those who cannot legally vote. Project Veritas, True the Vote and Judicial Watch have all been addressing that and other voter fraud issues. Please consider checking them out on the web. You can find out a lot about the issue that way and perhaps get involved and even offer helpful ideas based on your experience!
Judicial Watch has actually initiated lawsuits against several states for failure to maintain their voter roles according to federal law! If nothing else, you could send them a contribution when and if finances allow.
Let’s DO more than the Liberals and kick some Pinko butt!
I’ve posted in Republican and Conservative blogs for a few years now. I have heard a lot of good comments and analysis and I’ve made a few good comments myself! After all of that, we just got our butts kicked big time!
The defintion of “insanity” is to continue to repeat the same action while expecting a different outcome! If we want a different outcome in the midterms and in the next presidential election then we MUST do something differently!
I say “we” because if we are counting on someone else to do it, it isn’t going to happen! I say “do” because JUST posting in blogs isn’t going to get the job done. It didn’t in the most recent elections!
Let’s formulate some action plans and carry them out to the best of our abilities. There is no reason why Conservative Republican victories can’t start right here at “Seeing Red AZ”! Giant oaks from little acorns grow! There’s certainly MORE than enough brain power here. Let’s put it to good use!
1) Make everybody reregister using Birthcertificates only, and if
you are a Naturalized Citizen you must bring in your Papers.
2) Keep all polls opened for one week,.
3) Depending on your last name, you vote on certain days.
4) Iraq had the right idea, dip fingers in ink, of course we need to
make sure it does not wear off for that week.
5) Ballots in English Only,
6) Only the Disabled can have a mail in ballot, but I was on disability
ten years and made it to the polls and was there before they
opened to make sure I did not wait too long.
As much as I dislike Carl Rove, he had some of the best ideas on get out the vote, it was almost the Chicago Way with “Block Capitans, and Ward Leaders”. Mitt also had all of John McLiars campaign people involved in his campaign, and on SRA I said that with McCain’s involvement Mitt will lose and then it will be said no one can win against Obama and will vindicate McCain’s campaign.
All pretty good ideas CD9. But proof of citizenship to vote has been crushed by our Communist courts. Then we have the ‘motor voter’ crap, and the Reconquistas have been using the Federal form (versus the Arizona form) to register illegals because citizenship does not have to be proved.
We’re sitting here watching our country being stolen and treasonous Americans are facilitating it every step of the way. The rabid Hispanics have been telling us for 20 years they would take political control of America, and we’re watching it happen.
Zoo, Motor Voter needs to be cancelled if they need to reregister. The Fed said Id’s for this election will not work, but most laws are taking effect next year. The excuse was not enought time. This admin loves the UN, what did the UN say they were aghast no ID was needed to vote and left.
Since elections are the pervue of the states, that can work, but we will be sued to death. And did you all see the Judges all won reelection, what is wrong with these people, too hard to fill out the ballot?
Those things might help to get Conservatives elected. The question is how would we bring those things into being? Unless we actually change something, nothing is going to change!
As I mentioned above to ZOO, Project Veritas, True the Vote and Judicial Watch have been on voting issues for quite some time. Rather than starting from scratch and reinventing the wheel, it might make sense to firt look into what those organizations are doing and see if you want to get on board with them and get behind their efforts.
Judicial Watch is particularly potent as they have a staff of attorneys and routinely institute lawsuits against the Obama administration. As I mentioned above, the brought lawsuits against several states for failing to maintain their voter rolls in accordance with federal laws. The threat of a lawsuit from JW caused serveral jurisdictions to clean up their act without actually having to go to court.
So, your ideas are good. The question is what we can actually bring into being as something tangible and effective to impact things in the real world in favor of Conservative candidates and conservative principles.
We CAN still pull this out and save America BUT to do so we need to shift gears, start thinking in very pragmatic ways and, most of all, take ACTION, as opposed to staying up in our heads!
We have plenty of brain power right here at “Seeing Red AZ” BUT we need to bridge the gap between thinking and action!
It starts at the State level, we have more Republican Governors now. True the Vote wanted to charge people to take their course to be a poll watcher, I know some who could not afford the 25.00. I like Judicial watch, but please tell me how this can take so long? The Republican’s were in charge for 15 years and nothing, we knew and kept saying it was bad, but still nothing.
I agree about “bridging the gap”, you certainly have that down, lol.. Many of us, including me, are all talk no action.
How can this take so long? Excellent question, CD9! I keep explaining this but many don’t take it seriously, which could prove to be deadly for American democracy!
Liberals, per se, constitute the LEAST problem for Conservatives. The BIG problem is the “One World”, “New World Order” people. Why is that?
Both the Democrat AND Republcan establishments are made up of “One World” people. That is what is going on with Boehner right now. It isn’t that he is a Liberal or moving to the left, it’s that he’s seeking to implement the “One World” agenda and that includes “comprehensive immigration reform”.
So, we have “One World” people running both political parties and Conservatives are focused only on Liberals! We are focused on those being used as a sword rather than on those who are wielding the sword! THAT is why it is “taking so long”. Unless and until we actively take on the “One World” people directly, we’re not going to get anywhere.
This “One World” agenda has been around at least since the WWII era. Consider this statement:
“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”
“I think the essential thing we should undertake is that we declare our willingness to participate in some sort of world organization capable of enacting, administering, interpreting, and, enforcing world law, whether you call it a federation, a government, or world order, I don’t think that matters.”
– James Paul Warburg while speaking before the U. S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, February 17, 1950
If you think that is an isolated case, consider this:
“In the 50th anniversary issue of the CFR’s journal Foreign Affairs, Kingman Brewster Jr, U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain and president of Yale University stated in an article, “Our national purpose should be to abolish American nationality and to take some risks in order to invite others to pool their sovereignty with ours.”
This isn’t “conspiracy theory”. This is fact and this is what we are up against!
I never believed in that old story of One World Government, until 1991 or 1992 when I myself heard HW Bush say it in a speech he was giving. Needless to say I support Ross Perot in 1992 till he dropped out and tried getting back in, another idiot. But truthfully I thought that kind of thinking was in the background, was I proved wrong. OMG this Admin is allowing the UN to make the laws, we are in a world of hurt.
Oh I do not believe that is a “Conspiracy Theory” I believe much has come to pass. You do realize just because I am paranoid does not mean I am wrong?
CD9, I’ve spent the last decade in a state of paranoia, role-playing Paul Revere:
“To crush the goals of corrupt government officials and militant Hispanic action groups, it takes large numbers of citizens “fighting” on a daily basis; numbers that are insufficient at present. If you could give a flying **** about illegal immigration, it is guaranteed you will in the not so distant future. You still have one weapon known as “the vote”. The “America brokers” want to hand your weapon over to illegal immigrants and THEY WILL. When they attain this, your weapon will be useless.” (05/21/04)
“An estimated 100,000 Mexicans including illegal criminals were in the streets of Chicago this weekend protesting illegal immigration enforcement. Do you really believe this country can wait three more years on the gamble that a patriot will be elected President and magically erase the Mexicanization of America? Will you bet your children’s future on it?” (03/13/06)
“A grade school kid could figure out that Bush has intentionally under-funded the border patrol, made nearly zero attempts to bust illegal employers, and encouraged the invasion of America at every opportunity. A grade school kid knows from playground spats that there are ‘strength’ in large numbers and the Bush scheme of inaction allows the numbers to grow out of control and unmanageable. When it appears the Hispanic vote is gaining strength and might become violent, Bush will then direct the congress to enact ‘emergency amnesty’ for the ‘safety of the general public’. “ (04/11/06)
“Much quicker than anyone believes, the people of Mexico will soon totally control the ‘vote’ across America. Your American president and most of your congress are currently attempting to lay the foundation right now – perhaps blinded by their greed; perhaps not.” (04/24/06)
“The congress, particularly Republicans, must be given an ultimatum. Either they demand that George Bush order U.S. troops to the border, call for his resignation, or threaten immediate impeachment proceedings.” (05/11/06)
“The GOP has a third option to maintain legislative control. That would be a full-blown illegal immigration crackdown at the border and the interior. In fact, that might be the only thing that can save them at the polls in November. Or it might be too late regardless of what option they choose. For every action there is a reaction. There is always a price to pay when
integrity has been sacrificed for personal gain.” (06/01/06)
“If the equally criminal Democratic party wasn’t willing to risk American lives for millions of Mexican votes, they could use this issue to force the securing our border or force George Bush out of office for treason and nonfeasance.” (08/11/06)
“This has been documented for the history books by Bush’s public statements, his belligerent demanding calls for the congress to ‘do their duty’ and make the scheme PERMANENT, and his very public no-action nonfeasance of intentional under-enforcement of immigration laws. Wiping his butt with his oath of office and the constitution, he has blackmailed a Congress controlled by his own party by saying ‘no amnesty, no enforcement’.” (09/04/06)
“The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco stole your citizenship today… they have killed ID registering and voting requirements in Arizona put into place in 2004 by Proposition 200… And if you have the mindset that they are not interested in voting, you are a textbook idiot. And if you have the mindset that they cannot affect the outcome of elections, you are a textbook imbecile.” (10/06/06)
“Political party allegiance combined with dollar store ignorance is a deadly combination. Anyone still defending George W. Bush on the Mexican invasion and conquest is doing so out of fear of damaging the Republican party for 2008. They would rather see the country transform into a Mexican sh** hole than see a Democrat in the White House. There are an amazing number of these people. They have chosen loyalty to a political party over loyalty to the sovereignty and survival of their country.” (04/08/07)
“They only way the Republican party can stop George Bush is to impeach him, and immediately. Even if Bush does not grant AMNESTY by executive order, he is killing the Republican party with his words. Many GOP candidates have begun the process of distancing themselves from this quite insane carpetbagger, but nothing will overcome the act of crushing this country with Bush’s ultimate goal, and his ultimate role as “dictator”. The GOP can either act proactively, or gamble on loosing everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, between now and November 2008.” (06/25/07)
“The National Broadcasting Company jumped out of the starting gate with a Saturday feature “how will the GOP’s killing of amnesty affect the Hispanic vote”? The filth at NBC are wasting no time bringing pressure for AMNESTY right back to the spotlight. NBC now claims a survey shows Mexicans who will vote for Republican candidates in 2008 has dropped to 14%.” (08/14/07)
“The Democratic majority has failed to garner adequate support with their actions on ALL OTHER ISSUES. By adequate, I mean they are in big trouble with the mid-term elections in November. They know it, I know it, you know it. So what do they do? They are reaching out to criminal trespassers to our country and their ilk (primarily ONE race of people) to SAVE them in November and again in 2012. Can you not grasp just how low and dangerous this is?”
(09/17/10)
What both you, CD9, and ZOO are addressing IS the “One World”, “New World Order” agenda! And yes, the plan is for the United Nations to function as the global governing body. Furthermore, if you examine the treaties and other measures that the U. N. seeks to implement, you will find that every single one of them is destructive of America! Obama, Hillary Clinton and all of the other “One World” people, including establishment Republicans, are working to facilitate the implementation of that agenda as quickly as possible, before the majority of Americans wake up!
Hillary is the worse of any of those people in office right now. She was all in for the UN when Bill was in office. What I do not understand is why do these people forget what happened in the 90′s, like McLiar and McKyl and confirm her like she is a Saint. You do not hear McLiar talking as if Hillary has any blame in the Benghazi Terrorist attack, do you? He and Hill are supposed to be very good friends.
The establishment Republicans might as well be Democrats, I agree with taking out Lugar but somone needs to stop the candidates from talking, that guy thought he could profess his Christian credentials and be the good guy. Shut up, do not even answer the question, do like they do change the subject. Never answer a question from the Lame Stream media as if it is a question, its not its a trap. Oh ok Paranoia showing again.
When Bill Clinton took office, China did not have the specialized turbine engines necessary for an ICBM delivery system. Under Clinton, those turbines were sold to China, without any approval from State or any security agency, giving them intercontinental ballistic missle capability.
This transfer of military technology has been going on for a LONG time and it is STILL going on! All part of the “New World Order”!
I think many of us are in your same state of mental anguish. I got an email from a personal friend, in early Oct. who told me about he October surprise, I had it validated by three people I know in Fed Law inforcement. Talk about Paranoid, I told my family where to go, what to do and how to do it. I told them in no uncertain terms we were in trouble and we need to take cover, my daughter has land in Okla, I told them all, to go there she is putting in a certain types of Generator. Ok Ok, so I went overboard, but your paranoia has nothing on mine, lol.
I know we will win again in 2014, the Dems push too hard, but we need to make sure other states have their voter ID laws in place, all 31-33 Republican Governors. To do that we need to contact tea parties and try and get them to go to the Legislatures in their states and get Voter ID laws passed that way. Or some on FaceBook. I deal with the Legislator here a lot, but we need many more in other states.
I cant get over all the things you said over the years that really were exactly what we should have done, like getting rid of Bush. And don’t get me wrong I liked Bush in many ways but his Immigration policies were terrible.
We need to organize, and I do not believe in too many because they talk, ok so how we going to accompolish anything with out other members, catch 22. We do need a stronger Governor, Brewer is almost useless, from what I heard she has many advisors because she can not make a decision on her own, how true that is I do not really know, but she is weak. The 9th Cricuit decision was not appealed, that is Jan’s fault and ours for not demanding it. We also need Russell Pearce back in office, maybe he needs to leave Mesa, that place is dismal and twice they elected really non-republican’s.
CD9, I will stand my ground and take the backlash. History will reflect (down the road) that George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party short term, and America long term. I truly believe we will never see another Republican President. Whether the Party doesn’t budge an inch, or lets the McCains, Flakes, Rubios, and Grahams facilitate an amnesty gang bang with the Democrats, there is no way out. The millions of anchor babies dropped under the massive Bush-illustrated invasion will have voter cards for 2020, and 2024. From there, it gets incalculable.
My next soothsayer prediction is that Hispanics will have their own party up and running for 2020. Goodbye America, hello Mexico Del Norte. My biggest regret: George W. Bush will die unaffected and unconvicted of treason, when he should have been hung, gassed, and electrocuted in front of a firing squad.
Now I will leave this world knowing my grandchild will never see Grandpa’s America, and that Reconquistas will be throwing Frisbees and smashing Bud Light bottles on top of my grave.
That is a horrible scenario, but true. I truely cry thinking about what Bush and the elites of the Republican Party have done. But there was no way I could vote for anybody but Mitt Romney. No one else stood a chance, now we are cursed again. All we can do is hope the few Republican Senators stand strong, and hope McCain and Flake remember how they got elected int he first place, and it sure was not the Illegals.
I was not thrilled with the Romney nomination, and on the day he picked Ryan my research told me we were back in 2008. Had they won we stood a 50/50 chance of an amnesty cave-in, which was heads and tails over a 100% chance.
That said, I am angered by remarks against Romney’s campaign M.O. by Monday morning quarterbacks. Did I want him to rip Obama’s amnesty in the Presidential debates? You bet. But I understood the tightrope he was walking, and for the most part he never backed down on his pro-enforcement remarks from the Republican primary debates. And he aced it on all other issues. Despite all of that, nothing could overcome the curse of the Libtinos.
NBC reported a couple of days ago that in 2016, Alabama, Arizona, and Texas could be “in play” from a Hispanic voter standpoint. In other words, the power to tip elections locally and nationally. The upcoming ‘latino’ party will begin with victories in county and state races, and likely become a national contender by 2024.
All- I think the push to end mail in voting is right on target. Here’s an article from Townhall that I have been sharing and I think the writer makes a compelling case that Nobama may have stolen the election.
It certainly is conceivable and points to the need for greater security in our elections. Otherwise, we might as well be living in North Korea.
I, too, am concerned about the jump to the amnesty bandwagon by the GOP. Hispanics granted amnesty in ’86 didn’t vote GOP and they won’t now. Citizenship should be completely off the table- legal status to work at the very most. But let’s not forget that Congress will be attempting to enact another amnesty while a record number of Americans remain unemployed and more are getting pink slips in the near future thanks to Nobamacare- that won’t go over well.
Off the top of my head,here are the conditions I would lay down;
ENFORCEMENT FIRST
1. Complete and total border security: better fencing, more Border agents, whatever it takes. Shut it down.
2. PROVE that the border is secure to the American people. Arizona could lead the way because we have illegals moving through our state daily, drugs too.
3. Take back areas within California, Arizona and other states where the cartels have taken over.
4. E-Verify required of every single business, including states and Feds. No exceptions.
5. Revamp ID cards- tamper-proof and not able to be forged.
6. Remove all illegals with ANY kind of misdemeanor and certainly any felony convictions.
7. End birthright citizenship
8. Moratorium on immigration from Mexico, Central and South America or China- they’ve more than had their share. 15 year minimum. Stop being the dumping ground for Mexico’s undesirables.
9. Open immigration to Europeans and Russians: easier assimilation, most speak English and are well educated.
THEN;
1. NO citizenship- only legal right to work here. We cannot keep rewarding lawbreakers and have any coherent immigration system.
Military service would be the one exception for citizenship.
2.English proficiency at high school level required.
3.NO chain migration: no sponsoring aunts, uncles etc. If that is not done, we’ll end up with 100 million more people here and our infrastructures will collapse. ( we all know there’s more like 30-40 million illegals here, not the gov’t number of 11 million. There’s that many just in California! )
4. English is made the official language and no local, state or federal documents will be printed in other languages.
5. Bilingual education ends. One time free English courses will be provided for children and adults.
6. Place a HIGH tax on all monies leaving the U.S. Nobama loves taxes so he can keep his trap shut on this.
Very impressive PM. All one-time (or never caught) border crossers are guilty of a Federal misdemeanor, second time a felony. What is the difference between citizenship and legal residency? Voting. Work permits are “legal residency” and adds many welfare benefits beyond SCOTUS-mandated schooling and healthcare. It also provides a legal Social Security card and the Earned Income Credit, which will give a family of 3 with an income of $25k a $3,000 annual tax refund, less the 28¢ from payroll withholding. Multiply this by 7 or 8 million “families”, and you’ve just opened a can of Instant Bankruptcy.
Zoo, they are getting the education and healthcare anyway, so that’s moot. Most are also taking the Earned Income Credit already by filing using TINs. It’s costing us millions already. So that leaves Social Security, which could stand an infusion of the cash lost to an underground economy fostered by illegals.
My best case scenario would be self and forced deportation, but Congress doesn’t have the stomach for it. Based on the Presidential loss, the GOP is moving ahead in a reactionary way rather than applying reason and learning from Reagan’s errors with amnesty. We, the American people, will get one shot at pressuring them so we’d best make the most of it by contacting our representatives and senators and putting the heat on.
I do not buy the exit polls that stated 65% of those questioned were supportive of a path to citizenship for illegals. Most, if not all, were likely Dems- no party affiliation was mentioned- and we know why they would push the issue. If amnesty, with citizenship goes through, it’s nail in the coffin time for the GOP.
PM, I am aware they are already getting education and healthcare, that is why I said “beyond SCOTUS-mandated……”
Here are the “instructions” that come with every FTIN (Federal Taxpayer ID Number):
“WE ASSIGNED YOU AN IRS INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER (ITIN)”
The following is true about your assigned ITIN:
It is for federal tax purposes only, for example, to file a tax return
It is not a social security number (SSN) but an identification number issued by IRS
It does not entitle you to social security benefits or the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)
If you do not use ITIN to file a tax return or other federal purpose, it can be revoked
It does not change your immigration status or make you eligible to work in the United States
If you become a U.S. citizen, or legal resident alien authorized by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigrations Services, you will be eligible to get an SSN.
It is my belief that Obama did in fact steal the election. The Republican establishment, including some of the supposedly “Conservative” talking heads, adamantly deny that. That denial by “Conservatives” is just part of the scam, IMHO.
Once again, we all come up with great ideas. The issue is what are we actually going to DO which will have some impact in the real world?
During the campaign, I read about Obama telling his supporters at rallies to get on buses that were heading to early polling locations. Conservatives mocked this, but those people voted for Obama!
There was probably some voter fraud, but there was also an intense voter turn out effort by Obama and Democrats.In spite of this, Obama still had substantially fewer votes in 2012 than he got in 2008, but it was enough to exceed depressed Republican voter turn out.
Republicans had fewer voters show up to the polls in 2012 than for McCain in 2008! If those voters had all shown up and voted for Romney, Romney would have won. Other Republicans down ticket would have had greater success as well.
There are several issues to address. Fraud is certainly one issue, but the biggest issue is getting low propensity Republican voters to vote!prevent “soft fraud” like allowing mail in ballots which can be easily influenced and manipulated by political operatives. Third, we must aggressively campaign and forcefully challenge all Leftist lies all of the time during campaigns. This will need to be done in spite of MSM bias and will require tough, respectful, patient, brave, principled, ELOQUENT conservatives to go into the lions den of liberal strong holds to make the conservative case and challenge Leftist lies.
This will require significant organization and probably financial support. Ideally, it would be done within the Republican Party. Unfortunately, the state and national party organizations do not seem up to the task – especially with promoting a consistently conservative message in terms ignorant conservatives who vote as liberals can understand. (We need to educate those people since they really share our values without realizing it; authentic liberals will never vote for us.) It will fall to conservative Republican organizations to do most of the messaging. The state parties can possibly help with voter registration and turn out – if they are run effectively.
If my premise is correct, that the REAL agenda driving everything is the “One World”, “New World Order”, then all of the failings of the Republican Party leading up to the elections make sense and fit perfectly as deliberate failings!
“One World” people don’t care whether R’s or D’s are in power. They only care that their “One World” agenda is implemented and Obama had been doing a good job of that and has the backing of the “One World” power structure.
I believe this election was stolen too. The democrats believe we stole 2000, which we did not. But until Obama won the Dems wanted to do away with the Electoral College. Now all of a sudden its ok, if we do away with that we will have no chance of ever electing a Conservative, look at Florida and all the election irregularities in Allen West’s dist.
I do not believe Mitt was going to be that strong on Immigration, but he did promise to build the fence within a year and make e-verify the law. But he did not enthuse me, of course I was around for Ronald Reagan, he inspired everyone including most Dems. Disappointment since that time.
Euby you got the %’s right, LOL.
Zoo, McCain even voted to give the illegals SS benefits with their TP ID #.
The IRS was supposedly under investigation as a result of a piece by Indiana TV station WTHR. If you scroll down to the bottom of the article, the IRS responds to WTHR stating that under the law they cannot deny illegals Child Tax Credits because nothing in the tax code prevents it:
Of course, this smoke screen ignores the massive fraud that goes well beyond Child Tax Credits and attempts to convey that Congress is the only one who can alter tax laws to stop it. This of course is pure bullsh**. Tax returns from illegals are fraudulent from top to bottom, not the least of which is STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS ON W2 FORMS (ID theft). Why the hell would Congress need to make a regulation against THAT? I was on to this five years ago, and layed out the entire scenario in four-part harmony:
I’ll tell you what I think, folks. I think that we are treating symptoms rather than the root cause of the disease!
If you have a sore throat you can take anesthetic lozenges for throat irritation. You can take something to stop the coughing. You can take aspirin for fever. But if the cause is a bacterial infection, only an antibiotic will cure the problem!
I believe that what we need to be addressing is the “One World”, “New World Order” agenda from which all of the evils like open borders, amnesty, U. N. treaties and so on spring! THAT, I think, will make sense of it all for voters and I think that the majority would reject “One World”. Rejecting “One World” would cause rejection of all of the various measures being implemented to bring about “One World”.
First, the “One World” people would call it a “conspiracy theory”. That would fail because there is too much hard data available proving that it is not a “conspiracy theory”. Next, they would essentially ask, “So, what’s wrong with One World?” THAT is where we get them! The case against “One World” can very easily be made in a persuasive way!
The LAST thing that the “One World” people want is for their agenda to be exposed and openly discussed in public. Like the Communists, they know that they have to operate in a clandestine manner because if exposed for what they are, they will be rejected! It is failure to name, expose and address the “One World” agenda which is permitting all of these symptoms to manifest and which is causing Conservatism to take a beating right now!
Fascinating reading. Good analysis. Thanks.
Here’s a good piece to go with the one above. It’s a first person account from a Republican volunteer about how the Party screwed up the game on the ground.
“The Unmitigated Disaster Known As Project ORCA”
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/334783.php
Nobama based his campaign on micro-campaigns to targeted groups. Wonder what all the kids who voted for Nobama will think when the money for school dries up, he doesn’t cut their student loan debts in half, the Obamaphones stop ringing and, thanks to Obamacare, there’s fewer jobs? To top it off, he wants amnesty for illegals so todays college grads will have even MORE people to contend against for jobs. What fun!
Oh, and I would LOVE to see the faces on the young gals who voted Nobama back into the White House when they, as single women, have free contraceptives and NO JOBS. Maybe Eva Longoria can get them jobs as extras in Hollywood?
They may not be working, but at least they don’t have to worry about getting pregnant…or a retirement plan.
Then there’s the blacks who called themselves Christians while voting for the Party of Death. Their families will remain fractured, their illegitimacy numbers high, their unemployed numbers higher and their faith a pathetic joke. Calling themselves Christians while voting for a man who condones infanticide is beyond this evangelical.
The Hispanics may actually get something out of their slavish devotion to the Dems, but I think there is already a movement afoot to slap Boehners overly-tanned face and yell, “Snap out of it!”. Illegals are already making demands and we know how well THAT worked in the past.
As for the Asians, I don’t get it. Many are professionals and well-educated and yet they supported Nobama. Again, can’t wait for the bellyaching to start when the taxes hit- and MANY of them will be in the $200K range so they will be considered “rich”. Their curry will be cooked before they even know it.
The gays are the only group who seem to be getting everything they want. Evidently the 30 years of brainwashing our young paid off. Next up will be the advocates for polygamy and incest ( as long as they are consenting adults, who is hurt? Right? )
followed by the NorthAmericanManBoyLoveAssociation (NAMBLA) and the sheep lovers.
They make Sodom and Gommorah look like the Amish.
I’m ordering my “Don’t Blame Me- I Voted Romney-Ryan!” bumpersticker.
At least while the country is going to rack and ruin we can get some entertainment value out of it. Pop the corn and pull up the TV!
Okay, patriotmom, I’m with you! Now, what are WE going to DO about it? Not trying to pick on you, patriotmom, just trying to get our energies focused on an ACTION plan! We’ve got two years until the midterms and four years until the next presidential race. What are WE going to DO between now and then to get OUR agenda implemented?
patriotmom,
You cut right to the chase with wisdom and clairty.Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. They make a lot of sense.
What are your suggestions for taking action, GOP PC?
Blame? It starts with our current elected officials who were disinterested from the beginning in confronting Obama about a million different things. They went along with his appointments (ie Holder, Kagan). They went along with his reversal on weapon defense in Poland/ Czech Republic. They went along with Fast and Furious. We still have not tried the Fort Hood terrorist. Dream Act Amnesty. The list is endless. (And certainly does not include any questions about Obama’s suspicious background). Their silence is acquiescence. Conservative values are a message. But Rhinos are not interested in taking time out from the glory they receive in Wash. DC. Also, the “Party” begins with the Precinct. I have Never been contacted by someone from the Precinct (and that includes one who is my neighbor). The list of them includes all the insiders.
Blame? I don’t think that blame is going to give Conservatives power. How do you think that Conservatives can prevail in the midterm elections, LouiseAnn?
I don’t believe they will prevail as the Rhino part of the party can’t stand the conservative party. What did Boehner say about the Tea Party? Inconsequential? There are not enough people that understand (or want to understand) conservative – especially Fiscal Conservative- ideas. It is not my experience that rational thought will change their mind.
What Boehner says is propaganda!
When Franklin Delano Roosevelt shared with a friend his ideas for combating the Great Depression, his friend said, “What if you fail?” Roosevelt replied, “Perhaps we shall fail. Nevertheless, we shall try!” Regardless of what we think of Roosevelt’s policies, overcoming the phycial limitations placed on him by polio made him tough and determined.
We can come up with limitless reasons for not making an effort but we are only kidding ourselves! If they are going to prevail, I’m at least going to make it as hard as possible for them. They aren’t going to get a free ride! If I go down, I’m going down fighting, knowing that I personally did everything I could to stop them!
A huge problem that has gone unnoticed is the growth of mail-in balloting. Hispanic groups across the country have gamed the system in three simple steps:
1) register Hispanic voters who would normally not vote, speak little to no English and/or are politcally aloof
2) have the newly registered voter request an early mail-in ballot
3) instruct the voter to HOLD their ballot until someone returns to help them complete it
I witnessed this process going on in 2004, and it has grown like a cancer ever since. The only way this can be stopped is to eliminate or outlaw mail-in voting across the country. Another needed change is to eliminate access by the public to “ballot received” lists, which the Parraz group used to contact voters. Additionally, many of you may have received a notice from a Virginia group telling you which of your neighbors did and did not vote. Is that information the “business” of you or your neighbors?
The protestors currently squatting at the AZ Secretary of State’s office claim they registered over 30,000 new Hispanic voters. When have we EVER seen protests over delayed ballot counting? Why are they so anxious?
How do you think we could go about eliminating mail-in voting and access to “ballot received” lists, ZOO? Contact our members of Congress? A ballot initiative? What do you think it would take to bring that about?
Through our state legislature, euby. I called the SOS when I got the “look who voted” letter and complained. A local station also covered the subject and reported people were damned unhappy about it.
On the mail-in ballots, I understand some would complain about losing the convenience of “voting at home” and the Dems would scream “voter suppression.”
But to have dozens of groups like La Raza, Lulac, Chicanos Por La Causa, etc. going into people’s homes and coaching them on how to vote is massive fraud; they might as well be going into the voting booth with them. This must stop, and if it means giving up the convenience of ‘armchair voting’ then so be it.
I’ll even go a step further and estimate up to a third of all Hispanic votes were “manufactured” in this fashion. I saw a Hispanic neighborhood “canvassed” by Chicanos PLC and my friend’s Hispanic neighbor told him he was directed to HOLD his ballot and wait for help filling it out. And that was in 2004, just think has massive it is now!
Okay! So it’s the state legislature then which can put a stop to the “see who voted” letters? That applies to presidential elections as well? Who do we need to put the heat on in the state legislature and how will eliminating that letter help get Conservatives elected?
It’s a well documented fact that there’s hanky panky with mail in ballots among those who cannot legally vote. Project Veritas, True the Vote and Judicial Watch have all been addressing that and other voter fraud issues. Please consider checking them out on the web. You can find out a lot about the issue that way and perhaps get involved and even offer helpful ideas based on your experience!
Judicial Watch has actually initiated lawsuits against several states for failure to maintain their voter roles according to federal law! If nothing else, you could send them a contribution when and if finances allow.
Let’s DO more than the Liberals and kick some Pinko butt!
Go get ‘em, Tiger! :-)
Why do I keep posting about taking action?
I’ve posted in Republican and Conservative blogs for a few years now. I have heard a lot of good comments and analysis and I’ve made a few good comments myself! After all of that, we just got our butts kicked big time!
The defintion of “insanity” is to continue to repeat the same action while expecting a different outcome! If we want a different outcome in the midterms and in the next presidential election then we MUST do something differently!
I say “we” because if we are counting on someone else to do it, it isn’t going to happen! I say “do” because JUST posting in blogs isn’t going to get the job done. It didn’t in the most recent elections!
Let’s formulate some action plans and carry them out to the best of our abilities. There is no reason why Conservative Republican victories can’t start right here at “Seeing Red AZ”! Giant oaks from little acorns grow! There’s certainly MORE than enough brain power here. Let’s put it to good use!
My Solution on Voter Fraud:
1) Make everybody reregister using Birthcertificates only, and if
you are a Naturalized Citizen you must bring in your Papers.
2) Keep all polls opened for one week,.
3) Depending on your last name, you vote on certain days.
4) Iraq had the right idea, dip fingers in ink, of course we need to
make sure it does not wear off for that week.
5) Ballots in English Only,
6) Only the Disabled can have a mail in ballot, but I was on disability
ten years and made it to the polls and was there before they
opened to make sure I did not wait too long.
As much as I dislike Carl Rove, he had some of the best ideas on get out the vote, it was almost the Chicago Way with “Block Capitans, and Ward Leaders”. Mitt also had all of John McLiars campaign people involved in his campaign, and on SRA I said that with McCain’s involvement Mitt will lose and then it will be said no one can win against Obama and will vindicate McCain’s campaign.
All pretty good ideas CD9. But proof of citizenship to vote has been crushed by our Communist courts. Then we have the ‘motor voter’ crap, and the Reconquistas have been using the Federal form (versus the Arizona form) to register illegals because citizenship does not have to be proved.
We’re sitting here watching our country being stolen and treasonous Americans are facilitating it every step of the way. The rabid Hispanics have been telling us for 20 years they would take political control of America, and we’re watching it happen.
Secession anyone?
Zoo, Motor Voter needs to be cancelled if they need to reregister. The Fed said Id’s for this election will not work, but most laws are taking effect next year. The excuse was not enought time. This admin loves the UN, what did the UN say they were aghast no ID was needed to vote and left.
Since elections are the pervue of the states, that can work, but we will be sued to death. And did you all see the Judges all won reelection, what is wrong with these people, too hard to fill out the ballot?
Initiatives anybody?
Hey, CD9!
Those things might help to get Conservatives elected. The question is how would we bring those things into being? Unless we actually change something, nothing is going to change!
As I mentioned above to ZOO, Project Veritas, True the Vote and Judicial Watch have been on voting issues for quite some time. Rather than starting from scratch and reinventing the wheel, it might make sense to firt look into what those organizations are doing and see if you want to get on board with them and get behind their efforts.
Judicial Watch is particularly potent as they have a staff of attorneys and routinely institute lawsuits against the Obama administration. As I mentioned above, the brought lawsuits against several states for failing to maintain their voter rolls in accordance with federal laws. The threat of a lawsuit from JW caused serveral jurisdictions to clean up their act without actually having to go to court.
So, your ideas are good. The question is what we can actually bring into being as something tangible and effective to impact things in the real world in favor of Conservative candidates and conservative principles.
We CAN still pull this out and save America BUT to do so we need to shift gears, start thinking in very pragmatic ways and, most of all, take ACTION, as opposed to staying up in our heads!
We have plenty of brain power right here at “Seeing Red AZ” BUT we need to bridge the gap between thinking and action!
It starts at the State level, we have more Republican Governors now. True the Vote wanted to charge people to take their course to be a poll watcher, I know some who could not afford the 25.00. I like Judicial watch, but please tell me how this can take so long? The Republican’s were in charge for 15 years and nothing, we knew and kept saying it was bad, but still nothing.
I agree about “bridging the gap”, you certainly have that down, lol.. Many of us, including me, are all talk no action.
How can this take so long? Excellent question, CD9! I keep explaining this but many don’t take it seriously, which could prove to be deadly for American democracy!
Liberals, per se, constitute the LEAST problem for Conservatives. The BIG problem is the “One World”, “New World Order” people. Why is that?
Both the Democrat AND Republcan establishments are made up of “One World” people. That is what is going on with Boehner right now. It isn’t that he is a Liberal or moving to the left, it’s that he’s seeking to implement the “One World” agenda and that includes “comprehensive immigration reform”.
So, we have “One World” people running both political parties and Conservatives are focused only on Liberals! We are focused on those being used as a sword rather than on those who are wielding the sword! THAT is why it is “taking so long”. Unless and until we actively take on the “One World” people directly, we’re not going to get anywhere.
This “One World” agenda has been around at least since the WWII era. Consider this statement:
“We shall have World Government, whether or not we like it. The only question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent.”
“I think the essential thing we should undertake is that we declare our willingness to participate in some sort of world organization capable of enacting, administering, interpreting, and, enforcing world law, whether you call it a federation, a government, or world order, I don’t think that matters.”
– James Paul Warburg while speaking before the U. S. Senate Committee on Foreign Relations, February 17, 1950
If you think that is an isolated case, consider this:
“In the 50th anniversary issue of the CFR’s journal Foreign Affairs, Kingman Brewster Jr, U.S. Ambassador to Great Britain and president of Yale University stated in an article, “Our national purpose should be to abolish American nationality and to take some risks in order to invite others to pool their sovereignty with ours.”
This isn’t “conspiracy theory”. This is fact and this is what we are up against!
EUBY,
I never believed in that old story of One World Government, until 1991 or 1992 when I myself heard HW Bush say it in a speech he was giving. Needless to say I support Ross Perot in 1992 till he dropped out and tried getting back in, another idiot. But truthfully I thought that kind of thinking was in the background, was I proved wrong. OMG this Admin is allowing the UN to make the laws, we are in a world of hurt.
Oh I do not believe that is a “Conspiracy Theory” I believe much has come to pass. You do realize just because I am paranoid does not mean I am wrong?
CD9, I’ve spent the last decade in a state of paranoia, role-playing Paul Revere:
“To crush the goals of corrupt government officials and militant Hispanic action groups, it takes large numbers of citizens “fighting” on a daily basis; numbers that are insufficient at present. If you could give a flying **** about illegal immigration, it is guaranteed you will in the not so distant future. You still have one weapon known as “the vote”. The “America brokers” want to hand your weapon over to illegal immigrants and THEY WILL. When they attain this, your weapon will be useless.” (05/21/04)
“An estimated 100,000 Mexicans including illegal criminals were in the streets of Chicago this weekend protesting illegal immigration enforcement. Do you really believe this country can wait three more years on the gamble that a patriot will be elected President and magically erase the Mexicanization of America? Will you bet your children’s future on it?” (03/13/06)
“A grade school kid could figure out that Bush has intentionally under-funded the border patrol, made nearly zero attempts to bust illegal employers, and encouraged the invasion of America at every opportunity. A grade school kid knows from playground spats that there are ‘strength’ in large numbers and the Bush scheme of inaction allows the numbers to grow out of control and unmanageable. When it appears the Hispanic vote is gaining strength and might become violent, Bush will then direct the congress to enact ‘emergency amnesty’ for the ‘safety of the general public’. “ (04/11/06)
“Much quicker than anyone believes, the people of Mexico will soon totally control the ‘vote’ across America. Your American president and most of your congress are currently attempting to lay the foundation right now – perhaps blinded by their greed; perhaps not.” (04/24/06)
“The congress, particularly Republicans, must be given an ultimatum. Either they demand that George Bush order U.S. troops to the border, call for his resignation, or threaten immediate impeachment proceedings.” (05/11/06)
“The GOP has a third option to maintain legislative control. That would be a full-blown illegal immigration crackdown at the border and the interior. In fact, that might be the only thing that can save them at the polls in November. Or it might be too late regardless of what option they choose. For every action there is a reaction. There is always a price to pay when
integrity has been sacrificed for personal gain.” (06/01/06)
“If the equally criminal Democratic party wasn’t willing to risk American lives for millions of Mexican votes, they could use this issue to force the securing our border or force George Bush out of office for treason and nonfeasance.” (08/11/06)
“This has been documented for the history books by Bush’s public statements, his belligerent demanding calls for the congress to ‘do their duty’ and make the scheme PERMANENT, and his very public no-action nonfeasance of intentional under-enforcement of immigration laws. Wiping his butt with his oath of office and the constitution, he has blackmailed a Congress controlled by his own party by saying ‘no amnesty, no enforcement’.” (09/04/06)
“The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals in San Francisco stole your citizenship today… they have killed ID registering and voting requirements in Arizona put into place in 2004 by Proposition 200… And if you have the mindset that they are not interested in voting, you are a textbook idiot. And if you have the mindset that they cannot affect the outcome of elections, you are a textbook imbecile.” (10/06/06)
“Political party allegiance combined with dollar store ignorance is a deadly combination. Anyone still defending George W. Bush on the Mexican invasion and conquest is doing so out of fear of damaging the Republican party for 2008. They would rather see the country transform into a Mexican sh** hole than see a Democrat in the White House. There are an amazing number of these people. They have chosen loyalty to a political party over loyalty to the sovereignty and survival of their country.” (04/08/07)
“They only way the Republican party can stop George Bush is to impeach him, and immediately. Even if Bush does not grant AMNESTY by executive order, he is killing the Republican party with his words. Many GOP candidates have begun the process of distancing themselves from this quite insane carpetbagger, but nothing will overcome the act of crushing this country with Bush’s ultimate goal, and his ultimate role as “dictator”. The GOP can either act proactively, or gamble on loosing everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, between now and November 2008.” (06/25/07)
“The National Broadcasting Company jumped out of the starting gate with a Saturday feature “how will the GOP’s killing of amnesty affect the Hispanic vote”? The filth at NBC are wasting no time bringing pressure for AMNESTY right back to the spotlight. NBC now claims a survey shows Mexicans who will vote for Republican candidates in 2008 has dropped to 14%.” (08/14/07)
“The Democratic majority has failed to garner adequate support with their actions on ALL OTHER ISSUES. By adequate, I mean they are in big trouble with the mid-term elections in November. They know it, I know it, you know it. So what do they do? They are reaching out to criminal trespassers to our country and their ilk (primarily ONE race of people) to SAVE them in November and again in 2012. Can you not grasp just how low and dangerous this is?”
(09/17/10)
What both you, CD9, and ZOO are addressing IS the “One World”, “New World Order” agenda! And yes, the plan is for the United Nations to function as the global governing body. Furthermore, if you examine the treaties and other measures that the U. N. seeks to implement, you will find that every single one of them is destructive of America! Obama, Hillary Clinton and all of the other “One World” people, including establishment Republicans, are working to facilitate the implementation of that agenda as quickly as possible, before the majority of Americans wake up!
Euby,
Hillary is the worse of any of those people in office right now. She was all in for the UN when Bill was in office. What I do not understand is why do these people forget what happened in the 90′s, like McLiar and McKyl and confirm her like she is a Saint. You do not hear McLiar talking as if Hillary has any blame in the Benghazi Terrorist attack, do you? He and Hill are supposed to be very good friends.
The establishment Republicans might as well be Democrats, I agree with taking out Lugar but somone needs to stop the candidates from talking, that guy thought he could profess his Christian credentials and be the good guy. Shut up, do not even answer the question, do like they do change the subject. Never answer a question from the Lame Stream media as if it is a question, its not its a trap. Oh ok Paranoia showing again.
When Bill Clinton took office, China did not have the specialized turbine engines necessary for an ICBM delivery system. Under Clinton, those turbines were sold to China, without any approval from State or any security agency, giving them intercontinental ballistic missle capability.
This transfer of military technology has been going on for a LONG time and it is STILL going on! All part of the “New World Order”!
Hey Zoo,
I think many of us are in your same state of mental anguish. I got an email from a personal friend, in early Oct. who told me about he October surprise, I had it validated by three people I know in Fed Law inforcement. Talk about Paranoid, I told my family where to go, what to do and how to do it. I told them in no uncertain terms we were in trouble and we need to take cover, my daughter has land in Okla, I told them all, to go there she is putting in a certain types of Generator. Ok Ok, so I went overboard, but your paranoia has nothing on mine, lol.
I know we will win again in 2014, the Dems push too hard, but we need to make sure other states have their voter ID laws in place, all 31-33 Republican Governors. To do that we need to contact tea parties and try and get them to go to the Legislatures in their states and get Voter ID laws passed that way. Or some on FaceBook. I deal with the Legislator here a lot, but we need many more in other states.
I cant get over all the things you said over the years that really were exactly what we should have done, like getting rid of Bush. And don’t get me wrong I liked Bush in many ways but his Immigration policies were terrible.
We need to organize, and I do not believe in too many because they talk, ok so how we going to accompolish anything with out other members, catch 22. We do need a stronger Governor, Brewer is almost useless, from what I heard she has many advisors because she can not make a decision on her own, how true that is I do not really know, but she is weak. The 9th Cricuit decision was not appealed, that is Jan’s fault and ours for not demanding it. We also need Russell Pearce back in office, maybe he needs to leave Mesa, that place is dismal and twice they elected really non-republican’s.
CD9, I will stand my ground and take the backlash. History will reflect (down the road) that George W. Bush destroyed the Republican Party short term, and America long term. I truly believe we will never see another Republican President. Whether the Party doesn’t budge an inch, or lets the McCains, Flakes, Rubios, and Grahams facilitate an amnesty gang bang with the Democrats, there is no way out. The millions of anchor babies dropped under the massive Bush-illustrated invasion will have voter cards for 2020, and 2024. From there, it gets incalculable.
My next soothsayer prediction is that Hispanics will have their own party up and running for 2020. Goodbye America, hello Mexico Del Norte. My biggest regret: George W. Bush will die unaffected and unconvicted of treason, when he should have been hung, gassed, and electrocuted in front of a firing squad.
Now I will leave this world knowing my grandchild will never see Grandpa’s America, and that Reconquistas will be throwing Frisbees and smashing Bud Light bottles on top of my grave.
Zoo,
That is a horrible scenario, but true. I truely cry thinking about what Bush and the elites of the Republican Party have done. But there was no way I could vote for anybody but Mitt Romney. No one else stood a chance, now we are cursed again. All we can do is hope the few Republican Senators stand strong, and hope McCain and Flake remember how they got elected int he first place, and it sure was not the Illegals.
McCain and Flake have already removed their panties and tossed them on the amnesty stage:
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/news/articles/2012/11/09/20121109immigration-reform-seen-strategy-woo-latinos.html
I was not thrilled with the Romney nomination, and on the day he picked Ryan my research told me we were back in 2008. Had they won we stood a 50/50 chance of an amnesty cave-in, which was heads and tails over a 100% chance.
That said, I am angered by remarks against Romney’s campaign M.O. by Monday morning quarterbacks. Did I want him to rip Obama’s amnesty in the Presidential debates? You bet. But I understood the tightrope he was walking, and for the most part he never backed down on his pro-enforcement remarks from the Republican primary debates. And he aced it on all other issues. Despite all of that, nothing could overcome the curse of the Libtinos.
NBC reported a couple of days ago that in 2016, Alabama, Arizona, and Texas could be “in play” from a Hispanic voter standpoint. In other words, the power to tip elections locally and nationally. The upcoming ‘latino’ party will begin with victories in county and state races, and likely become a national contender by 2024.
All- I think the push to end mail in voting is right on target. Here’s an article from Townhall that I have been sharing and I think the writer makes a compelling case that Nobama may have stolen the election.
http://townhall.com/columnists/rachelalexander/2012/11/11/obama_likely_won_reelection_through_election_fraud
It certainly is conceivable and points to the need for greater security in our elections. Otherwise, we might as well be living in North Korea.
I, too, am concerned about the jump to the amnesty bandwagon by the GOP. Hispanics granted amnesty in ’86 didn’t vote GOP and they won’t now. Citizenship should be completely off the table- legal status to work at the very most. But let’s not forget that Congress will be attempting to enact another amnesty while a record number of Americans remain unemployed and more are getting pink slips in the near future thanks to Nobamacare- that won’t go over well.
Off the top of my head,here are the conditions I would lay down;
ENFORCEMENT FIRST
1. Complete and total border security: better fencing, more Border agents, whatever it takes. Shut it down.
2. PROVE that the border is secure to the American people. Arizona could lead the way because we have illegals moving through our state daily, drugs too.
3. Take back areas within California, Arizona and other states where the cartels have taken over.
4. E-Verify required of every single business, including states and Feds. No exceptions.
5. Revamp ID cards- tamper-proof and not able to be forged.
6. Remove all illegals with ANY kind of misdemeanor and certainly any felony convictions.
7. End birthright citizenship
8. Moratorium on immigration from Mexico, Central and South America or China- they’ve more than had their share. 15 year minimum. Stop being the dumping ground for Mexico’s undesirables.
9. Open immigration to Europeans and Russians: easier assimilation, most speak English and are well educated.
THEN;
1. NO citizenship- only legal right to work here. We cannot keep rewarding lawbreakers and have any coherent immigration system.
Military service would be the one exception for citizenship.
2.English proficiency at high school level required.
3.NO chain migration: no sponsoring aunts, uncles etc. If that is not done, we’ll end up with 100 million more people here and our infrastructures will collapse. ( we all know there’s more like 30-40 million illegals here, not the gov’t number of 11 million. There’s that many just in California! )
4. English is made the official language and no local, state or federal documents will be printed in other languages.
5. Bilingual education ends. One time free English courses will be provided for children and adults.
6. Place a HIGH tax on all monies leaving the U.S. Nobama loves taxes so he can keep his trap shut on this.
Probably forgot some, but you get the drift.
Very impressive PM. All one-time (or never caught) border crossers are guilty of a Federal misdemeanor, second time a felony. What is the difference between citizenship and legal residency? Voting. Work permits are “legal residency” and adds many welfare benefits beyond SCOTUS-mandated schooling and healthcare. It also provides a legal Social Security card and the Earned Income Credit, which will give a family of 3 with an income of $25k a $3,000 annual tax refund, less the 28¢ from payroll withholding. Multiply this by 7 or 8 million “families”, and you’ve just opened a can of Instant Bankruptcy.
Zoo, they are getting the education and healthcare anyway, so that’s moot. Most are also taking the Earned Income Credit already by filing using TINs. It’s costing us millions already. So that leaves Social Security, which could stand an infusion of the cash lost to an underground economy fostered by illegals.
My best case scenario would be self and forced deportation, but Congress doesn’t have the stomach for it. Based on the Presidential loss, the GOP is moving ahead in a reactionary way rather than applying reason and learning from Reagan’s errors with amnesty. We, the American people, will get one shot at pressuring them so we’d best make the most of it by contacting our representatives and senators and putting the heat on.
I do not buy the exit polls that stated 65% of those questioned were supportive of a path to citizenship for illegals. Most, if not all, were likely Dems- no party affiliation was mentioned- and we know why they would push the issue. If amnesty, with citizenship goes through, it’s nail in the coffin time for the GOP.
PM, I am aware they are already getting education and healthcare, that is why I said “beyond SCOTUS-mandated……”
Here are the “instructions” that come with every FTIN (Federal Taxpayer ID Number):
“WE ASSIGNED YOU AN IRS INDIVIDUAL TAXPAYER IDENTIFICATION NUMBER (ITIN)”
The following is true about your assigned ITIN:
It is for federal tax purposes only, for example, to file a tax return
It is not a social security number (SSN) but an identification number issued by IRS
It does not entitle you to social security benefits or the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC)
If you do not use ITIN to file a tax return or other federal purpose, it can be revoked
It does not change your immigration status or make you eligible to work in the United States
If you become a U.S. citizen, or legal resident alien authorized by the U.S. Citizenship and Immigrations Services, you will be eligible to get an SSN.
Patriotmom:
It is my belief that Obama did in fact steal the election. The Republican establishment, including some of the supposedly “Conservative” talking heads, adamantly deny that. That denial by “Conservatives” is just part of the scam, IMHO.
Once again, we all come up with great ideas. The issue is what are we actually going to DO which will have some impact in the real world?
“10% inspiration, 90% perspiration!”
During the campaign, I read about Obama telling his supporters at rallies to get on buses that were heading to early polling locations. Conservatives mocked this, but those people voted for Obama!
There was probably some voter fraud, but there was also an intense voter turn out effort by Obama and Democrats.In spite of this, Obama still had substantially fewer votes in 2012 than he got in 2008, but it was enough to exceed depressed Republican voter turn out.
Republicans had fewer voters show up to the polls in 2012 than for McCain in 2008! If those voters had all shown up and voted for Romney, Romney would have won. Other Republicans down ticket would have had greater success as well.
There are several issues to address. Fraud is certainly one issue, but the biggest issue is getting low propensity Republican voters to vote!prevent “soft fraud” like allowing mail in ballots which can be easily influenced and manipulated by political operatives. Third, we must aggressively campaign and forcefully challenge all Leftist lies all of the time during campaigns. This will need to be done in spite of MSM bias and will require tough, respectful, patient, brave, principled, ELOQUENT conservatives to go into the lions den of liberal strong holds to make the conservative case and challenge Leftist lies.
This will require significant organization and probably financial support. Ideally, it would be done within the Republican Party. Unfortunately, the state and national party organizations do not seem up to the task – especially with promoting a consistently conservative message in terms ignorant conservatives who vote as liberals can understand. (We need to educate those people since they really share our values without realizing it; authentic liberals will never vote for us.) It will fall to conservative Republican organizations to do most of the messaging. The state parties can possibly help with voter registration and turn out – if they are run effectively.
Hey, Hunter!
If my premise is correct, that the REAL agenda driving everything is the “One World”, “New World Order”, then all of the failings of the Republican Party leading up to the elections make sense and fit perfectly as deliberate failings!
“One World” people don’t care whether R’s or D’s are in power. They only care that their “One World” agenda is implemented and Obama had been doing a good job of that and has the backing of the “One World” power structure.
That’s a big IF.
A matter of opinion, I suppose, Hunter.
PM.
I believe this election was stolen too. The democrats believe we stole 2000, which we did not. But until Obama won the Dems wanted to do away with the Electoral College. Now all of a sudden its ok, if we do away with that we will have no chance of ever electing a Conservative, look at Florida and all the election irregularities in Allen West’s dist.
I do not believe Mitt was going to be that strong on Immigration, but he did promise to build the fence within a year and make e-verify the law. But he did not enthuse me, of course I was around for Ronald Reagan, he inspired everyone including most Dems. Disappointment since that time.
Euby you got the %’s right, LOL.
Zoo, McCain even voted to give the illegals SS benefits with their TP ID #.
CD9,
The IRS was supposedly under investigation as a result of a piece by Indiana TV station WTHR. If you scroll down to the bottom of the article, the IRS responds to WTHR stating that under the law they cannot deny illegals Child Tax Credits because nothing in the tax code prevents it:
http://www.wthr.com/story/17861738/will-lawmakers-act-to-close-tax-loophole-for-illegal-immigrants
Of course, this smoke screen ignores the massive fraud that goes well beyond Child Tax Credits and attempts to convey that Congress is the only one who can alter tax laws to stop it. This of course is pure bullsh**. Tax returns from illegals are fraudulent from top to bottom, not the least of which is STOLEN SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBERS ON W2 FORMS (ID theft). Why the hell would Congress need to make a regulation against THAT? I was on to this five years ago, and layed out the entire scenario in four-part harmony:
http://azresistance.wordpress.com/2007/08/02/gov%E2%80%99t-corruption-runs-amok-az-dept-of-revenue-and-irs-conspire-in-illegal-alien-criminality/
I’ll tell you what I think, folks. I think that we are treating symptoms rather than the root cause of the disease!
If you have a sore throat you can take anesthetic lozenges for throat irritation. You can take something to stop the coughing. You can take aspirin for fever. But if the cause is a bacterial infection, only an antibiotic will cure the problem!
I believe that what we need to be addressing is the “One World”, “New World Order” agenda from which all of the evils like open borders, amnesty, U. N. treaties and so on spring! THAT, I think, will make sense of it all for voters and I think that the majority would reject “One World”. Rejecting “One World” would cause rejection of all of the various measures being implemented to bring about “One World”.
First, the “One World” people would call it a “conspiracy theory”. That would fail because there is too much hard data available proving that it is not a “conspiracy theory”. Next, they would essentially ask, “So, what’s wrong with One World?” THAT is where we get them! The case against “One World” can very easily be made in a persuasive way!
The LAST thing that the “One World” people want is for their agenda to be exposed and openly discussed in public. Like the Communists, they know that they have to operate in a clandestine manner because if exposed for what they are, they will be rejected! It is failure to name, expose and address the “One World” agenda which is permitting all of these symptoms to manifest and which is causing Conservatism to take a beating right now!
“Did voter fraud swing the election?”
“Exclusive: Joseph Farah presents evidence of illegal voting, contributions, intimidation”
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/did-voter-fraud-swing-election/