Opposition growing to Gang of 8’s amnesty scheme

Numbers USA features a compilation of quotes from noted conservatives who exemplify the backlash against the amnesty bill introduced this week by the Gang of 8 — two of whom, John McCain and Jeff Flake — claim to represent Arizonan citizens.  Republican Senators hold the key to whether this amnesty of millions of illegals passes or fails. And the conservative opinion media that tend to matter most to them are showing increasing disdain for the bill.

To read more, click on the link following each quote. You’ll find a treasure trove of great thinking on this important subject.

Numbers USA also provides a free fax form — although donations are welcome — to contact your two U.S. Senators and your U.S. Representative to voice your opposition to the gang‘s amnesty scheme. They even have a means of getting your message to Barack Obama.

Fact Check: “Marco Rubio distorts his bill during Rush Limbaugh interview” by Chris Chmielenski can be read here.

Sen. Rubio facing major opposition from Tea Party activists over Amnesty bill can be read here.

Then click on Roy Beck’s updated video “Immigration, World Poverty and gumballs.” You won’t soon forget it.

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28 Responses to Opposition growing to Gang of 8’s amnesty scheme

  1. eubykdisop says:

    A good, broad overview of the issue, SRAZ!

    Glad you featured NumbersUSA! I use their free faxes and, in fact, used them to contact both McCain and Flake about this legislation.

    A fax is tangible, written and immediate. Kind of hard to blow off! ;-)

  2. eubykdisop says:

    Oh, I’ve just GOT to share this gem!

    “McCain attacked the current immigration system, saying, “The status quo is not acceptable.” He said America is “a nation with a conscience and cannot tolerate violations of human rights,” which he suggested the current system does by forcing illegal aliens to “remain in the shadows.”

    http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/senators-eye-boston-bombers-in-amnesty-debate/

    Illegal aliens have committed a crime and so, of course, they “remain in the shadows”, like all criminals do. According to McCain, the response to that should be to wave a magic wand and make them criminals no more!

    “Human rights”? What “right” might that be? Does The Constitution guarantee a right to be a criminal?

    My conscience is clear, John. Don’t fail to let us know when you develop a “rule of law” conscience!

    • Delilah says:

      Wes Harris is working on a recall I can not say that enough.

      • eubykdisop says:

        You think that can fly, Delilah? Does Wes have “the right stuff” to make it work?

      • State Delegate says:

        euby:

        The brief and answer your question regarding Wes Harris is “No!”

        There was a recall effort against McCain that was gathering steam in 2001. It fizzled when the events of September 11th took our national focus.

        Wes runs hot and cold on a variety of issues. He also has his own problems that continue to hound him. He’s not the guy for this job. We need a GROUP capable of generating funding, since volunteer signature collectors are no longer the answer on a wide scale issue such as the recall of a US Senator. Mailings and even media buys are necessary. Wes and the Tea Parties can’t get the job done. They couldn’t even elect Jennifer Wright as Mayor and we ended up with Greg Stanton (friend of Napolitano and Obama) instead.

      • eubykdisop says:

        Mounting a recall of a U. S. Senator certainly is no small matter, State Delegate! Aside from what you mentioned, there would undoubtedly be legal challenges, likely all the way to SCOTUS. That would conservatively require at least $2 million for legal costs and probably much more.

        Although there are provisions in the law for such a recall, there has not yet ever been a recall of a U. S. Senator. To be successful such an effort would require very efficient organization, a superior legal team, reliable volunteers as well as compensated staff and a constant inflow of large amounts of money. It would also require leadership which is realistic, practical, knowledgeable and able to raise funds.

  3. westnash says:

    I read the bill and as usual it is a grab bag of spending designed to buy off opposition. We should oppose it as written.

    • eubykdisop says:

      But Westnash, you are always pitching term limits which are proven to increase spending!

      “Legislative term limits and state spending”

      “H. Abbie Erler, December 2007″

      “Abstract”

      “Supporters of legislative term limits often claim that they will lower state spending levels. Using fiscal data from 48 states from 1977 to 2001, this paper finds little support for this assertion. Instead, this analysis finds that states with term limits have higher spending levels than states without term limits.”

      Not only that, but term limits are also proven to increase debt as well!

      “Western Illinois University
      Johnathan Day, Keith Boeckelman
      12 April, 2012″

      “This article examines the effect of state legislative term limits on government debt levels.”

      “Term-limited states greatly increase spending while not increasing revenue levels and thus substantially increase debt. Since states with term limits have higher debt, we advise caution in adopting them.”

      But that’s understandable since you are a big government, “tax and spend” Liberal Obama DEMOCRAT!

  4. westnash says:

    I agree with Euby on the challenges of a recall. I am usually against recall but if we had term limits McCain wouldn’t be there anyway.

    As disorganized as the Arizona opposition is, a recall likely would fail but it might be enough to insure he would not run again.

    • eubykdisop says:

      There are a “few” things you don’t agree with Conservatives about, Westnash, but agree with Obama instead!

      You agree with Obama and Napolitano that we shouldn’t secure our borders:

      “Westnash says:
      February 18, 2013 at 3:35 pm
      What I worry that the Secure Our Borders bunch really wants is to spend Billions more in hiring and fences which do nothing but increase the size of Govt.”

      You agree with Obama’s Hispanic activist agenda, even going so far as to suggest that we waste Arizona taxpayer money teaching every student in the state to… speak SPANISH!

      “Westnash says:
      March 12, 2013 at 8:36 am
      I would be in favor of Arizona requiring Spanish (for legal students of course).”

      And you join in with Liberal Democrats is attacking Sheriff Joe Arpaio:

      “Westnash says:
      March 1, 2013 at 9:06 am
      Interesting that when you have someone like Joe who continues to hang on…you have a real vacuum behind them. Their ego just wont let them develop a successor. Joe should retire soon and develop a strong successor…but I am afraid hubris has set in long ago.”

      With “opponents” like you, La Raza and the Reconquistas don’t need friends, LOL!

      Now you and La Raza have a real nice day, Westy! :-)

    • Seen It All says:

      The one to recall is Jeff Flake. McCain is at the end of his overly lengthy “career.” Flake will be there for decades. He’s where we should be concentrating our efforts. McCain was always more comfortable with Democrats and even wanted to run as one himself during his first campaign. He had to be talked out of it.
      Flake is only a Republican because Loosertarians don’t win congressional seats. Neither man is a principled Republican.

  5. Delilah says:

    State,

    You are right, Wes gets started on things and then he gets all upset over something or anther and he quits. I have seen it time and time again, but this time he needs help and he will not be alone. I have many problems with Wes, but this can be something worth a try. Are we going to turn tails and run because we are timid?

    Lets make sure Wes Harris has a partner, and not ego maniacal driven Van who is out to ingratiate himself into office.

    • eubykdisop says:

      If Wes isn’t the ideal person to lead such an effort, Delilah, is there another person or group of people who would be ideal?

      This would be a monumental effort, equal to mounting a campaign for a U. S. Senate seat. We need to remember that McCain alone spent $20 million the last time around to get re-elected. You could expect that he would come up with a lot more that than to keep his seat!

      The other important thing to remember is that it would be absolutely pointless to focus exclusively on a recall effort. Why? Because in order to achieve the objective, there would have to be simultaneous development of a campaign for a Conservative candidate to replace McCain and/or Flake! Don’t forget that Liberal Democrats would seize upon a successful recall to promote their own, even more Liberal candidate and that RINO’s would be in there with their candidate as well!

      As regards working with people who run hot and cold, been there, done that! After investing a great deal of time and effort, I’ve had the rug pulled out from under me completely by those who didn’t have the right stuff to stay the course. I have learned my lesson and I’m not going to even get started with anything which is not rock solid!

      • westnash says:

        You have to have a big money donor like Coors or Koch to have any chance. Most see him as a war hero instead of an old fool and wouldn’t touch it.

      • eubykdisop says:

        Well, Westnash, they probably wouldn’t want to be seen as “blaming” Marxism lest you be critical of them!

        “Westnash says:
        January 11, 2013 at 3:41 am
        Obviously, Euby, it is easy for you to blame Marxism, but impossible to offer a solution for the Arizona Republicans.”

        You have a nice Marxist day, Westnash! :-)

  6. CD9 says:

    There is another person Wes likes to hang around with, I forgot his name, it will come to me. This guy was a member of a Tea Party I belonged to, the morning meetings were strategy and it was by invitation only. He did not like what we were doing for JD Hayworth, gave us lots of opposition and then went around talking to all who would listen to him, he destroyed an idea we had invested lots of bux into.

    We want true believers and not fly-by-nighters who are out for themselves and not the cause. I have spoken to people from Yavapai and Mohave and Coconino Counties, they all want in and Wes can not run the other Counties by himself. This time it is not just for McStain it is including Jeff McFlakey. We need them both out, they ran as Conservatives, but please tell me who was stupid enough to believe Jeff McFlake was Conservative?

  7. ann says:

    Those of us opposed to amnesty and/or even simple retention because of the fact that even retention hurts the legal American resident and imbeds the Mexican criminal element into our country should support a solution.

    My suggestion is mandatory E-verify with sanctions stiff enough to hurt non-compliant employers, compassionate hearings for hard cases, liberal medical visas and absolute border enforcement now.

    I have proposed that idea to a high placed Dem and even that lib could support that.

  8. Saguaro Sam says:

    People throughout this country are slowly beginning to see the Fools on the Hill for what they are. Flake panders to family member of victim, then follows his marching orders from McCain.

    “Dark Knight shooting victim ‘betrayed’ by Arizona senator after he told her he backed background checks and then voted no

    A Colorado woman who’s son was killed at the Dark Knight shootings in Aurora, Colo., says she’s been betrayed by a senator who told her America needed better gun control laws then voted to block gun control legislation Wednesday.

    Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake sent Caren Teves a handwritten note last week, writing that he was ‘truly sorry’ for the loss of her son and ‘strengthening background checks is something we agree on.’

    But only days later, Flake joined 45 other senators who killed the legislation. . . .”

    dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2312105/Jeff-Flake-Arizona-senator-telling-Dark-Knight-shooting-victim-backed-background-checks-voting-
    no.html#ixzz2R7D6HCNk

  9. eubykdisop says:

    As regards a recall of McCain and/or Flake, there are two HUGE issues which have not yet been mentioned; one local and one national.

    At the local level, Robert Graham has appointed Chad Heywood as Executive Director of the Arizona Republican Party and Gretchen Conger Martinez as Chief of Staff.

    Heywood was Director of Outreach for the office of Congressman Jeff Flake and Martinez was Director of Government Relations for the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry. Martinez even attended high school in Santiago, Chile. Need I say more?

    On the national level, the RNC is REQUIRING that candidates it supports embrace “comprehensive immigration reform”. That, of course, helps to explain Graham’s choices for Executive Director and Chief of Staff for the AZ GOP, doesn’t it!

    Given the above facts, what do you think would happen locally and nationally with the Republican establishment if McCain and/or Flake were to be successfully recalled? It’s a sure thing that the establishment would pull out all of the stops to prevent someone who opposes illegal immigration and amnesty from getting elected and that they would spend a fortune and use every trick in the book to get another person who supports illegal immigration and amnesty elected!

    What is the game plan for dealing with those two issues? If there isn’t a viable game plan in place to address those two issues BEFORE beginning a recall campaign, then there is no point in even initiating a recall effort. That is simply political reality whether we like it or not!

  10. LEO IN TSN says:

    I may have just missed it, and if so SRA please enlighten me. Since AZ is one of the very first states that will be destroyed by an amnesty for 40 – 50 million illegal aliens + their relatives, friends and whomever, including all of the criminals and terrorists who have imbedded in this strata and are actively working to destroy US, I have been waiting for a resolution from the AZ State GOP Chairman opposing any amnesty and condemning the mistruths being promoted by the infamous Gang of 8.

    Have I missed it?

    Come to think of it, I haven’t seen any from the County GOP Chairs or any LD Chairs either. Could this be that deadly wave of apathy by ignorant officials that we fear, or has the AZ GOP already been so quickly corrupted? Is this why our senators think they can get away with any act of treason?

    I’m sure scratchin’ my head over this one. AND STOP ALLOWING ANYONE TO SAY “11 MILLION” AND GET AWAY WITH IT, BECAUSE IT JUST AIN’T SO!!!

    God bless America.

    • eubykdisop says:

      The Chairman of the Arizona Republican Party, Robert Graham, can give lip service to opposing “comprehensive immigration reform” and amnesty but actions speak LOUDER than words! Can we discern Graham’s intent from his actions? Yes, we can!

      When Graham appoints Chad Heywood as Executive Director and Gretchen Conger Martinez as Chief of Staff, we KNOW, with CERTAINTY, where Graham is going to take the Arizona Republican Party!

      Heywood was Director of Outreach for the office of Congressman Jeff Flake. Gretchen Conger Martinez was Director of Government Relations for the Arizona Chamber of Commerce and Industry which signed on to the lawsuit against SB 1070 and opposed anti-illegal immigration measures in the Arizona legislature. She also attended high school in Santiago, Chile which, of course, means that she is fluent in Spanish.

      When Graham is ready to drop it on us, his spiel will go something like this:

      “This legislation is, I think, a good compromise which treats immigrants, their families and their children in a humane manner while protecting the people of Arizona from the negative impacts of uncontrolled immigration.”

      That’s not a bad propaganda blurb, Robert. Feel free to use it verbatim, if you wish, when you’re ready to drop the bomb on us! We’re waiting, Robert. When are you going to do it?

  11. Westnash says:

    This article is from 2006 and think how much worse the situation is today. This is how a leader would handle the problem. We dont have one:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0706/p09s01-coop.html

    • eubykdisop says:

      ROFL! Ever the Trojan horse troll, you still seek to misrepresent yourself as a “Conservative” rather than the Liberal Obama DEMOCRAT you really are, LOL! Let’s look at YOUR immigration related ideas in your own words:

      Like Obama and Janet Napolitano, you don’t want to secure our borders:

      “Westnash says:
      February 18, 2013 at 3:35 pm
      What I worry that the Secure Our Borders bunch really wants is to spend Billions more in hiring and fences which do nothing but increase the size of Govt.”

      Seeking to further the Reconquista agenda, you would waste Arizona taxpayer money teaching every student in the state to… speak SPANISH!

      “Westnash says:
      March 12, 2013 at 8:36 am
      I would be in favor of Arizona requiring Spanish (for legal students of course).”

      And you join in with the other Liberal Obama DEMOCRATS in attacking Sheriff Joe Arpaio:

      “Westnash says:
      March 1, 2013 at 9:06 am
      Interesting that when you have someone like Joe who continues to hang on…you have a real vacuum behind them. Their ego just wont let them develop a successor. Joe should retire soon and develop a strong successor…but I am afraid hubris has set in long ago.”

      Now you and your La Raza have a nice day, Westnash! :-)

      • Westnash says:

        Euby is braying like a jackass again…like Joe McCarthy he is happy to lie to make his point. Like Goebbels, he is eager to distort to make himself look educated….sorry Euby, you cant pull it off.

      • eubykdisop says:

        ROFL! What you mean is that you can’t pull off attempting to portray yourself as a “Conservative” when you are actually a Liberal Obama DEMOCRAT, LOL!

        Best of all, of course, is your defense of Marxism!

        “Westnash says:
        January 11, 2013 at 3:41 am
        Obviously, Euby, it is easy for you to blame Marxism, but impossible to offer a solution for the Arizona Republicans.”

        I’m so sorry that I “blamed” your sacred and beloved Marxism, Westnash!

        Now you and Karl Marx have a nice day, Westy! :-)

  12. JAKE says:

    Once the immigration law is passed It won’t matter how many laws and restrictions are placed upon the illeagls, the government, under Obama or some other liberal or Rino, will simply ignore them if favor of compassion. Don’t give them the opportunity in the first place.

    • Westnash says:

      Agreed……unfortunately the Republicans have none articulate enough to make the point.

      • eubykdisop says:

        Oh, but Westnash, you are a big supporter of open borders and the Reconquista agenda!

        Like Obama and Janet Napolitano, you don’t want to secure our borders and you refer with disdain to “the Secure Our Borders bunch”:

        “Westnash says:
        February 18, 2013 at 3:35 pm
        What I worry that the Secure Our Borders bunch really wants is to spend Billions more in hiring and fences which do nothing but increase the size of Govt.”

        Like all good Reconquistas, you would spend Arizona taxpayer money to teach every student in the state of Arizona to… speak SPANISH!

        “Westnash says:
        March 12, 2013 at 8:36 am
        I would be in favor of Arizona requiring Spanish (for legal students of course).”

        And like La Raza, you have disdain for Sheriff Joe Arpaio!

        “Westnash says:
        March 1, 2013 at 9:06 am
        Interesting that when you have someone like Joe who continues to hang on…you have a real vacuum behind them. Their ego just wont let them develop a successor. Joe should retire soon and develop a strong successor…but I am afraid hubris has set in long ago.”

        Now you and your fellow Reconquistas have a nice day, Westy!

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