Maher v. Charlie Rose: Claiming Islam is like other religions naive, wrong

September 14, 2014

Atheists Bill Maher, Charlie Rose debate “moderate” Islam; Maher defends Christianity

“Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion, you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second-class citizens. Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should get killed for it.”

Bill Maher clashed with Charlie Rose over Islam during an appearance on Rose’s Bloomberg Television program this week. Maher, the host of Real Time on HBO, scoffed at Rose’s numerous attempts to link Islam to Christianity and to try to disavow radical Muslims as representatives of the religion. Rose contended numerous times that “moderate Muslims” do not approve of the actions of radical groups like ISIS. Maher noted Muslims when polled overwhelmingly agree with ideas like killing those who leave Islam and stoning adulters. Rose said the Koran does not teach Muslims to do “these kind of things.” The following is a transcript of their conversation courtesy of Real Clear Politics:

BILL MAHER: I saw Howard Dean on TV the other day and he said something along the order, he said the people in ISIS….he said I’m about as Islamic as they are, you know, distancing the vast numbers of Islamic people around the world from them. That’s just not true.

CHARLIE ROSE: It is true.

MAHER: It is not true, Charlie. There is a connecting tissue between…. 

ROSE: Behind every Muslim is a future member of some radical?

MAHER: Let me finish.

ROSE: I was doing that. 

MAHER: There are illiberal beliefs that are held by vast numbers of Muslim people that….

ROSE: A vast number of Christians too.

MAHER: No, that’s not true. Not true. Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens. Vast numbers of Christians….

ROSE: I agree with that….

MAHER: ….do not believe if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should get killed for it. So yes, does ISIS do Khmer Rouge-like activities where they just kill people indiscriminately who aren’t just like them? Yes. And would most Muslim people in the world do that or condone that? No.

ROSE: No.

MAHER: But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. 

ROSE: How do you know that?

MAHER: They do. First of all they say it. They shout it.

ROSE: Vast majorities of Muslims say that?

MAHER: Absolutely. There was a Pew poll in Egypt done a few years ago — 82% said, I think, stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery. Over 80% thought death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the Muslim religion. I’m sure you know these things. 

ROSE: Well I do. But I don’t believe….

MAHER: So to claim that this religion is like other religions is just naive and plain wrong. It is not like other religious. The New York Times pointed out in an op-ed* a couple of weeks ago that in Saudi Arabia just since August 4th, they think it was, they have beheaded 19 people. Most for non-violent crimes including homosexuality. 

ROSE: I know that they cut the hands off the thief.

MAHER: Right, okay, so we’re upset that ISIS is beheading people which we should be upset about but Saudi Arabia does it and they’re our good friends because they have oil. Okay. But they do it too. This is the center of the religion. I’m not saying….

ROSE: But they’re now fighting against ISIS too. They’re joining us in the fight. As is the Emirates. As is Jordan. They are all Muslim countries.

MAHER: Well, they are both fighting ISIS and they are for ISIS.

ROSE: Well, it’s not the government. I mean, some of them….

MAHER: Certainly the governments.

 ROSE: It’s a bit like today about Qatar. The big story today in The New York Times about Qatar. And some guy there is supporting, who is a Muslim….

MAHER: But I mean in Mecca where infidels, non-Muslims, are not even allowed in the holy parts of the city. I mean, right there, we don’t have that example in other religions. They do behead people. Now if they were beheading people in Vatican City, which is the equivalent of Mecca, don’t you think there would be a bigger outcry about it? So this is the soft bigotry of low expectations with Muslim people. When they do crazy things and believe crazy things, somehow it’s not talked about nearly as much. 

ROSE: Would you come to the table and debate this with a moderate Muslim?

MAHER: Find one, yes. Find one.

ROSE: I promise you I’ll find one.

MAHER: Find a Muslim…. 

ROSE: I do believe that what we see with ISIS is not representative of….

MAHER: As I said, connecting tissue. 

ROSE: ….not representative of the Islamic religion. I don’t think the Koran teaches them to do these kinds of things. 

MAHER: Well you’re wrong about that. The Koran absolutely has on every page stuff that’s horrible about how the infidels should be treated. But for example again ISIS says that they should perform genital mutilation on all women 11-46. Would most Muslims agree with that? No. Or carry it out? No. 

But as Ayaan Hirsi Ali points out, she says….

ROSE: I wouldn’t expect for her to…. 

MAHER: And she would know better than….

ROSE: Exactly.

MAHER: But can we really say….

ROSE: She’s been a victim.

MAHER: ….women are treated equally in the Muslim world? I mean, their testimony in court is very often counted as half. They need permission to leave the house in some places. 

ROSE: But a lot of moderate Muslims would say in fact one of the things that we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women. 

MAHER: But in this country, if you just use the wrong word about women, they go nuts. And all these other countries…

ROSE: As they should. 

MAHER: ….they’re doing things like making them wear burqas and I hear liberals say things like, ‘they want to.’ They want to. They’ve been brainwashed. It’s like saying a street walker wants to do that.

 H/T Real Clear Politics

 *New York Times August 22, 2014 op-ed “Saudis Must Stop Exporting Extremism,“ by Ed Husain in which he wrote “Just since Aug. 4, 19 people have been beheaded in Saudi Arabia, nearly half for nonviolent crimes.”


How dare anyone call liberal Fred DuVal a liberal?

August 29, 2014

It’s no secret Gov. Jan Brewer has been a major disappointment to Arizona conservatives. She has unleashed venomous attacks making political foes of fellow Republicans who refused to surrender to her astronomically costly Medicaid expansion demands, and supported recruited challengers. Her defense of Common Core, Obama’s federal overreach into America’s education delivery system, usurping local control, has won her few fans, even as she renamed the scheme in an effort to dupe anxious parents. Her push for a sales tax increase in a dismal economy and her veto of a religious freedom bill caused many to question their jubilation when Brewer initially assumed the office after then-governor Janet Napolitano left mid-term to join the Obama administration.

In myriad ways Brewer was the Republican tailor-made for Democrats to embrace. That is, until she breached the line no Democrat wants to cross. Brewer has now incurred the wrath of the left by using the L-word, “liberal,” to describe lobbyist Fred DuVal, a career-long  leftist, now the Democrat nominee for governor.

Liberals despise being called liberal. In fact, they coined the word “progressive” to hide their liberalism behind. It sounds so Teddy Roosevelt-ish and forward thinking, don’cha know?

In this bizarre piece, Linda Valdez, editorial writer at the Periódico de la República de Arizona (Arizona Republic) slams Brewer “for making things up about Fred Duval.” Zeroing in on a quote from Brewer in which she stated, “Fred is a liberal. He’s always been a liberal. He’s been brought up as a liberal,” Valdez did more than simply take exception. In typical liberal fashion, she contorts herself  into a pretzel twist, declaring DuVal’s father spent some time as a Republican before seeing what Valdez would view as ‘the light.’ She rants, hisses and harangues. One can almost see her stomping her feet.

Valdez is an unrepentant liberal, after all.

And who is liberal lobbyist Fred DuVal? He began his liberal career at age 24, managing liberal Bruce Babbitt‘s gubernatorial campaign, later working as Babbit’s senior aide. He did two stints with the Democrat National Committee concluding his final one as recently as 2011.  Liberal DuVal worked in the liberal Clinton White House, and was a reliable liberal Napolitano appointee on the AZ Board of Regents, where he never saw a tuition increase he didn’t support. As treasurer for the Democrat Governors Association he was fundraiser-in-chief for national liberal candidates.

It’s plain to see why Valdez, banking on crossover votes, wants to run from the L-word.


Persecution of Iraqi Christians garners little notice

July 27, 2014

Reports: There is not a single Christian family left in Mosul

This chilling article detailing the horrors facing Christians in Iraq was printed in The Guardian, a U.K. publication. The U.S. press is mostly silent on the terror being imposed by Islamic militants.

The last Christians in northern Iraqi cities such as Mosul have fled from places where their communities have lived for almost 2,000 years, as a deadline passed for them to convert to Islam, pay an onerous religious tax or be killed.

The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) recently issued a decree offering Christians the three options accompanied by the ominous threat that, if they did not comply, “then there is nothing to give them but the sword.”

Mosul includes the site of ancient Nineveh, the city to which biblical prophet Jonah was dispatched by God.  It was first mentioned in Genesis 10:11-12.

National Review’s The Corner carries a commentary The Attack on Christians in the Middle East by Rev. Robert Barron, which opens with “Though you would never guess it from the paucity of coverage in the major news media, there is a fierce persecution of Christians going on in the Middle East. In Egypt, convents and churches are being burned to the ground and Copts, members of one of the most ancient Christian communities, are being routinely harassed, tortured, and arrested. In Iraq, the ISIS group, hoping to re-establish a “caliphate” across the northern sector of the Middle East, is brutally persecuting Christians.” 

When Barack Obama recently hosted his sixth Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan at the White House, it would be interesting to know if he brought up the topic of Christians suffering torture and death at the hands of Muslim fundamentalists before or after what the White House blog refers to as the “traditional melodic Muslim call to prayer.”  Then again, it might have slipped his mind during the festivities.

Take some time this Sunday to read the linked news articles and acquaint yourself with the hard facts.

The White House website claims “President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history.” This site provides contact information.


Obama destabilizes America by colluding with, bankrolling churches

July 13, 2014

Catholic and Baptist churches being bankrolled by HHS

Liberty News reports on the alarming findings that the Obama administration was bankrolling America’s churches back in 2010. The tens of millions were flowing in to prepare for the invasion currently underway.

We urge you to make time to read the shocking report titled, EXCLUSIVE: HHS Bankrolled Catholic and Baptist Church from 2010 to 2013 to Prepare for Obama’s 2014 Invasion!

The following information is lifted in its entirety from the report:

Between Dec. 2010 and Nov. 2013, the Catholic Charities Diocese of Galveston received $15,549,078 in federal grants from Health & Human Services for “Unaccompanied Alien Children Project” with a program description of “Refugee and Entry Assistance.”

Last year, the Catholic Charities Diocese of Fort Worth received $350,000 from Department of Homeland Security for “citizenship and education training” with a program description of “citizenship and immigration services.”

Between September 2010 and September 2013, the Catholic Charities of Dallas received $823,658 from the Department of Homeland Security for “Citizenship Education Training” for “refugee and entrant assistance.”

From Decrmber 2012 to January 2014, Baptist Child & Family Services received $62,111,126 in federal grants from Health & Human Services for “Unaccompanied Alien Children Program.”

Documentation regarding the Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) Project, compiled by the University of Texas at El Paso, can be read here. And, yes, Phoenix is mentioned. Along with the Rio Grande Valley. Texas, we are noted on page 15 as having “the most shelter beds based on DHS request.”


US Supreme Court lobs a major blow at ObamaCare

June 30, 2014

Today’s 5 – 4 U.S. Supreme Court decision striking down ObamaCare’s employer paid contraception and abortificides —- abortion inducing drug  —– mandate is a decisive victory for religious freedom.  Barack Obama’s efforts at the socialization of American health care has suffered a major setback.

This decision is even a more significant triumph since it is the first time that the high court has ruled that for-profit businesses can hold religious views under federal law.

On June 28, 2012, Chief Justice John Roberts stunned conservatives by joining with the liberal Justices Stephen Breyer, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Sonia Sotomayor—– as he shockingly cast the deciding vote upholding the ‘Affordable Care Act,’ which Obama viewed as his signature domestic achievement. The flagrant and massive federal overreach into American’s personal health care decisions is widely known as ObamaCare. Here is a montage of Obama’s repeated lies.*

In today’s decision, Justice Samuel Alito wrote the majority opinion. Justice Anthony Kennedy, often a swing vote, voted with the majority. The court’s four liberal justices hung tight, with Ginsburg writing the dissent.

The decision in Burwell, Secretary of Health and Human Services, et al v. Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc., (joined by Conestoga Wood Specialties Corp.) can be read here in its entirety.

* H/T to Abraham Reisman for video 


AZ Republic’s farcical effort “to save marriage”

June 17, 2014

Goal: Expanding the definition of marriage 

The far left daily rarely disappoints. With rampant global chaos and the United States being led by a president who is making good on his promise to fundamentally transform America, the newspaper seizes on an issue near and dear to its heart to editorialize about: Same-sex “marriage.”

The lengthy piece begins by giving the lofty credentials of scholars, intended to impress the newspaper’s dwindling readership, which slipped 11 percent last year.

The editorial attempts to persuade that “gays can save traditional marriage,“ by striking a grand bargain “that if realized would bring together conservatives and liberals, gays and straights, in no less a cause than the preservation of marriage.” The goal of these scholars —- meeting at an Oct. 2 DC Marriage Opportunity Project conclave of national “thinkers/leaders” —- is to construct a “pro-family coalition that builds from the center out instead of the right in.”

 “Gay marriage”, we are told, “is a fait accompli. Whether you like it or not, the facts are stacking quickly in its favor. It will soon be the law across the land. And if not, the next generation will make it so.”

Further the argument goes, if current economic trend lines continue the country we’ve known will unravel. “Imagine,” the editorial states,” if gays saved marriage — saved the institution they fought so hard to get for themselves. How would that look to conservatives who’ve spent the last decade arguing equality would destroy marriage?”

According to the unnamed editorialist, same-sex unions (called “gay marriage” throughout the piece) will help strengthen working-class communities and build consensus that can soothe the culture wars, since they acknowledge that marriage is a bulwark against deprivation and dysfunction in low-income populations. These are populations progressives want dearly to help —- the liberals using their favored descriptive term “progressives,” write.

This new approach is called “marriage opportunity”and the newspaper writes it eagerly looks forward to having a conversation about it.

We’ve already been having the conversation.  This 2010 post Same sex “marriage” given editorial nod by AZ Republic, serves as a reminder that nothing changes with the dual agendas of homosexuality and amnesty. Same sex issues have stepped front and center with the newspaper since January 2008, when Randy Lovely took over as chief editor and VP of News at the daily newspaper, moving to Phoenix with his partner.


SCOTUS approves prayer — John Kerry? Not so much

May 6, 2014

Kerry on Religion: “Not the way I think most people want to live”

In a 5-4 decision Monday, the U. S. Supreme Court upheld denominational prayers at the start of local council meetings, declaring them in line with long national traditions of our Judeo-Christian heritage.

The content of the prayers is not significant as long as they do not denigrate non-Christians or try to win converts, the court said. The decision in the case Greece v. Galloway can be read here.

A federal appeals court in New York had previously ruled that the town of Greece violated the Constitution by opening nearly every meeting over an 11-year span with prayer. Too small for a Mayor, Greece is governed by a town board consisting of a supervisor and four council members.

Senior counsel David Cortman of the Scottsdale-based Alliance Defending Freedom, which represented the town, applauded the court for affirming “that Americans are free to pray.”

Greece Town Supervisor Bill Reilich held a press conference during which he praised the decision saying, “As Americans we are free to pray, we support diversity, we support freedom and we support the Constitution of the United States, where free speech will always prevail.” 

But liberal elitist John Kerry holds a distinctly different view —- not confined to prayer, but the practice of religion, itself.

The Weekly Standard reports that as he addressed the U.S. embassy staff in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia, Secretary of State Kerry discussed what he called the “different cross-currents of modernity” and the challenges they present on the African continent. The comments contain a veiled reference to religion, and the part that religion might be playing in some of the current conflicts in Africa:

“This is a time here in Africa where there are a number of different cross-currents of modernity that are coming together to make things even more challenging. Some people believe that people ought to be able to only do what they say they ought to do, or to believe what they say they ought to believe, or live by their interpretation of something that was written down a thousand plus….two thousand years ago. That’s not the way I think most people want to live.”

Kerry’s appalling address can be read here.


Follow

Get every new post delivered to your Inbox.

Join 331 other followers