Maher v. Charlie Rose: Claiming Islam is like other religions naive, wrong

September 14, 2014

Atheists Bill Maher, Charlie Rose debate “moderate” Islam; Maher defends Christianity

“Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion, you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second-class citizens. Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should get killed for it.”

Bill Maher clashed with Charlie Rose over Islam during an appearance on Rose’s Bloomberg Television program this week. Maher, the host of Real Time on HBO, scoffed at Rose’s numerous attempts to link Islam to Christianity and to try to disavow radical Muslims as representatives of the religion. Rose contended numerous times that “moderate Muslims” do not approve of the actions of radical groups like ISIS. Maher noted Muslims when polled overwhelmingly agree with ideas like killing those who leave Islam and stoning adulters. Rose said the Koran does not teach Muslims to do “these kind of things.” The following is a transcript of their conversation courtesy of Real Clear Politics:

BILL MAHER: I saw Howard Dean on TV the other day and he said something along the order, he said the people in ISIS….he said I’m about as Islamic as they are, you know, distancing the vast numbers of Islamic people around the world from them. That’s just not true.

CHARLIE ROSE: It is true.

MAHER: It is not true, Charlie. There is a connecting tissue between…. 

ROSE: Behind every Muslim is a future member of some radical?

MAHER: Let me finish.

ROSE: I was doing that. 

MAHER: There are illiberal beliefs that are held by vast numbers of Muslim people that….

ROSE: A vast number of Christians too.

MAHER: No, that’s not true. Not true. Vast numbers of Christians do not believe that if you leave the Christian religion you should be killed for it. Vast numbers of Christians do not treat women as second class citizens. Vast numbers of Christians….

ROSE: I agree with that….

MAHER: ….do not believe if you draw a picture of Jesus Christ you should get killed for it. So yes, does ISIS do Khmer Rouge-like activities where they just kill people indiscriminately who aren’t just like them? Yes. And would most Muslim people in the world do that or condone that? No.

ROSE: No.

MAHER: But most Muslim people in the world do condone violence just for what you think. 

ROSE: How do you know that?

MAHER: They do. First of all they say it. They shout it.

ROSE: Vast majorities of Muslims say that?

MAHER: Absolutely. There was a Pew poll in Egypt done a few years ago — 82% said, I think, stoning is the appropriate punishment for adultery. Over 80% thought death was the appropriate punishment for leaving the Muslim religion. I’m sure you know these things. 

ROSE: Well I do. But I don’t believe….

MAHER: So to claim that this religion is like other religions is just naive and plain wrong. It is not like other religious. The New York Times pointed out in an op-ed* a couple of weeks ago that in Saudi Arabia just since August 4th, they think it was, they have beheaded 19 people. Most for non-violent crimes including homosexuality. 

ROSE: I know that they cut the hands off the thief.

MAHER: Right, okay, so we’re upset that ISIS is beheading people which we should be upset about but Saudi Arabia does it and they’re our good friends because they have oil. Okay. But they do it too. This is the center of the religion. I’m not saying….

ROSE: But they’re now fighting against ISIS too. They’re joining us in the fight. As is the Emirates. As is Jordan. They are all Muslim countries.

MAHER: Well, they are both fighting ISIS and they are for ISIS.

ROSE: Well, it’s not the government. I mean, some of them….

MAHER: Certainly the governments.

 ROSE: It’s a bit like today about Qatar. The big story today in The New York Times about Qatar. And some guy there is supporting, who is a Muslim….

MAHER: But I mean in Mecca where infidels, non-Muslims, are not even allowed in the holy parts of the city. I mean, right there, we don’t have that example in other religions. They do behead people. Now if they were beheading people in Vatican City, which is the equivalent of Mecca, don’t you think there would be a bigger outcry about it? So this is the soft bigotry of low expectations with Muslim people. When they do crazy things and believe crazy things, somehow it’s not talked about nearly as much. 

ROSE: Would you come to the table and debate this with a moderate Muslim?

MAHER: Find one, yes. Find one.

ROSE: I promise you I’ll find one.

MAHER: Find a Muslim…. 

ROSE: I do believe that what we see with ISIS is not representative of….

MAHER: As I said, connecting tissue. 

ROSE: ….not representative of the Islamic religion. I don’t think the Koran teaches them to do these kinds of things. 

MAHER: Well you’re wrong about that. The Koran absolutely has on every page stuff that’s horrible about how the infidels should be treated. But for example again ISIS says that they should perform genital mutilation on all women 11-46. Would most Muslims agree with that? No. Or carry it out? No. 

But as Ayaan Hirsi Ali points out, she says….

ROSE: I wouldn’t expect for her to…. 

MAHER: And she would know better than….

ROSE: Exactly.

MAHER: But can we really say….

ROSE: She’s been a victim.

MAHER: ….women are treated equally in the Muslim world? I mean, their testimony in court is very often counted as half. They need permission to leave the house in some places. 

ROSE: But a lot of moderate Muslims would say in fact one of the things that we need to modernize is the idea of the way we treat women. 

MAHER: But in this country, if you just use the wrong word about women, they go nuts. And all these other countries…

ROSE: As they should. 

MAHER: ….they’re doing things like making them wear burqas and I hear liberals say things like, ‘they want to.’ They want to. They’ve been brainwashed. It’s like saying a street walker wants to do that.

 H/T Real Clear Politics

 *New York Times August 22, 2014 op-ed “Saudis Must Stop Exporting Extremism,“ by Ed Husain in which he wrote “Just since Aug. 4, 19 people have been beheaded in Saudi Arabia, nearly half for nonviolent crimes.”


Kyrsten Sinema deceitfully alters stance on military, vets

September 4, 2014

CD 9 voters have a choice: Vote for a 5th-generation military officer, Air Force pilot Lt Col Wendy Rogers (ret.) or radical leftist Kyrsten Sinema, now posing as a moderate

As slickly as radical leftist Kyrsten Sinema repackaged herself from a losing Green Party candidate  to a Democrat Arizona state legislator, she also attempted to conceal her Communist Party ideology. Sinema’s Cinco de Mayo and May Day greetings which each appeared in the Communist publication People’s Weekly World, can be seen in this post.

In 2007, while a member of the state legislature, Sinema was one of eight AZ Dems who introduced HB 2286, an appalling bill that imposed mandatory minimum jail sentences on members of the civilian Minutemen —- many former American service personnel —- trying to get a negligent U.S. government to simply enforce existing immigration laws by alerting authorities to the illegal invaders crossing our southern border. Using the same negative and insulting words as her close friend, Janet Napolitano who singled out America’s returning military personnel, Sinema referred to these patriotic citizens as “domestic terrorists.”

During her 2012 congressional campaign in the newly crafted Congressional District 9, Guy Benson wrote this revealing report for Townhall “Moderate” Arizona Democrat Has Deep Ties to Left-Wing Radicals, Obama White House. Although we strongly urge you to read it in its entirety, this snippet unmasks the pretender:

Beyond opposing America’s military response to the atrocities of 9/11 (the facts of which some of her associates call into question), Sinema has also promoted and appeared with radical characters, including convicted terrorist collaborator Lynne Stewart, and a self-described “pagan” and “witch” known as “Starhawk.”  While colluding with Starhawk to oppose US military efforts, Sinema wrote this email to her fellow activists in 2003, warning them against referring to any illegal activities in writing, lest the government be monitoring their communications.

Now in this ad, Sinema has re-crafted herself once again —- convincing the grieving parents of a young military vet who tragically committed suicide, that she is working in their behalf and in the interest of the military. 

In this press release the woman who holds the military in contempt, boasts of a Department of Defense contract award to a Tempe defense manufacturer, calling it a “vital investment in the safety of our military service members,” saying “they will provide our men and women in uniform with the best, most innovative technology produced right here in Arizona.”

Here charlatan Sinema hypocritically calls for action following the Department of Veterans Affairs Office of Inspector General confirming gross mismanagement and delays in access to care in the Phoenix VA Health Care System.

Contrast Kyrsten Sinema emceeing this bizarre event calling for the “end of US Occupation of Iraq,” co-sponsored by the Progressive Democrats of America and crackpot 9-11 Truthers, showcasing Cindy Sheehan —- with Lt Col Wendy Rogers (ret.) who served America as one of the first 100 women pilots in the U.S. Air Force.

The clear choices presented in this election are unique in their simplicity. Send Sinema home.


Missed the news about the news

August 16, 2014

Gannett’s print and broadcast divorce

This recent Gannett press release slipped under the radar as politics dominate in this pre-election period. But make no mistake, the “separation” of fading print assets from its broadcast and digital businesses, signals a split that no conciliation expert worth his/her salt would consider repairable. Gannett is the parent company of the Arizona Republic —- often referred to on this site as the Periódico de la República de Arizona, for its relentless pro-amnesty positions —- and KPNX-TV 12 in Phoenix. The mirror-image entities are housed in the same building.

Gracia Martore, president and CEO, said, “The bold actions we are announcing…are significant next steps in our ongoing initiatives to increase shareholder value by building scale, increasing cash flow, sharpening management focus, and strengthening all of our businesses to compete effectively in today’s increasingly digital landscape.

Translation: Print is dead, The fetid stench of decay assaults the senses.

When the Gannett chairman of the board then announces the company “has made huge strides in strengthening each of its businesses over the past few years, and the Board believes that the creation of two highly focused companies with enhanced financial and regulatory flexibility will accelerate growth and create additional value for our shareholders,” it’s clear concern for the shareholders exceed those of the dying newspapers.

The pull-down “Arizona” box under the map, provides an indication of a likely problem.  The now defunct Tucson Citizen is misspelled as Tuscon. When the mighty media giant Gannett can’t spell the name of its own holdings —- former or not —- it signals the dissolution is merely a formality. The love was gone when the subscriptions caved.


Islamic terror: U.S. must be prepared despite lack of leadership

August 11, 2014

Barack Obama is not one to let world crises get in the way of his vacation plans. Despite Islamic militants overrunning Iraq, taking control of one of the area’s largest dams and forcing religious minorities out of the city of Mosul under threat of conversion or death, the Obama’s arrived in Martha’s Vineyard as scheduled, where they and their entourage are luxuriating at a 17-room, $12 million home. Obama wasted no time in getting out to the links to indulge in his favorite pastime of golf with his pals.

As the leader of the free world, Obama’s narcissism is appalling. Americans are also foolishly disconnected, fuming over a news break that interrupted an inane TV program to announce the beginning of U.S. air strikes in Iraq against ISIS which the terrorists now want to be known simply as the Islamic State.

The 7,000+ miles that separate us from this hotbed of terror should not lull us into complacency. Young children —- future perpetrators of genocide —- are being trained in the Mideast as we anxiously await the networks prime time lineup for the coming season.

Even the relentless liberal lunacy of the AZ República’s Linda Valdez as she pushes for what she dishonestly refers to as “nonpartisan” primaries —- actually a re-christened “Top 2,” rejected by voters just two years ago —- fades to dark when juxtaposed against the savagery that has the “religion of peace” in its grasp and is moving forward with its plans for world domination.

Children are being groomed to be hate-filled, jihadist murderers for the Caliphate, the means of worldwide enforcement of Islamic Sharia law.  A father coaches his 7-year-old son, raised in the suburbs of Sydney, Australia to hold the severed head of a mutilated Syrian soldier, proudly declaring, “That’s my boy!” The UK’s Daily Mail has a full report.

Pay attention. In addition to the domination of the Middle East, including the total annihilation of the region’s sole democracy Israel, they have Europe, Australia, Asia and North America, including the United States in their sights.

We can no longer afford distractions and complacency. This San Diego ABC 10 News report, “Terrorist Group Setting Up Operations Near Border,” is from May 2011. Watch it.  The 7,000+ mile expanse is suddenly much closer to home. Also, check out “Hezbollah on our doorstep: Radical Muslims in border towns.”


Thinking about mailing in your early ballot?

August 9, 2014

Cincinnati, Ohio, residents captured this video of a U.S. postal worker discarding boxes of mail into a garbage dumpster earlier this week.

If you’d prefer to personally drop off your early ballot, the Secretary of State’s Office lists the contacts to each of Arizona’s County Recorders websites. Although there should be early voting locations with secure ballot drop boxes available through 7:00 pm on Election Day, not all counties had links advising of their locations.  Call your recorder and find out where you can securely deposit your early ballot. 

We have several options to have our voices heard. Mail-in ballots must be received at the Recorder’s office by Thursday, August 22. Primary Election Day is August 26. That is the day to vote in person at your assigned neighborhood polling place.

Real Clear Politics lists the various polling and projections with the full range of Republican candidates and how they would fare against the Democrat in the 2014 race for Arizona Governor.

 


Arpaio endorses Ducey: “Say it ain’t so, Joe”

August 1, 2014

Chicago White Sox outfielder Joe Jackson (1887 – 1951)  —- nicknamed “Shoeless Joe” —- was a Major League baseball legend in the early part of the 20th century. He earned the name “Shoeless,” after playing a minor league game in his stockings because a new pair of spikes had given him blisters on his feet the previous day.

Generations later, Jackson is remembered both for his stellar performances on the field and for his alleged association with the Black Sox Scandal, in which members of the 1919 Chicago White Sox shockingly participated in a conspiracy to fix the World Series. As a result of Jackson’s association with the scandal, Kenesaw Mountain Landis, MLB’s first commissioner, imposed a lifetime ban on Jackson and seven other Chicago players implicated in the scandal. Although a Chicago jury acquitted the popular Jackson, the ban remained.

The line, “Say it ain’t so, Joe,” will forever be associated with Jackson, but we’re hearing versions of it from many corners today after Arizona’s legendary Sheriff Joe Arpaio, stunned with his endorsement of establishment gubernatorial pick, Doug Ducey.


Costco plays politics — far left version

July 10, 2014

Big-box wholesaler Costco has pulled Dinesh D’Souza’s  new book, “America: Imagine a World Without Her,” just after the nationwide release of the companion movie —- but Chief Financial Officer Richard Galanti claims the decision was not motivated by political considerations.

The book, strongly critical of Barack Obama, was officially released June 2. A corporate decision to return the books was issued July 1, just as it is about to debut on the New York Times bestseller list.

Galanti confirmed to Jerome Corsi at WND the “pull order” was in effect and that D’Souza’s book is in the process of being removed from Costco stores this week, with the goal to have all copies of his book out of Costco stores nationwide and shipped back to the vendor no later than July 15.

He claims the decision to pull the book was not political but was based solely on sales, arguing Costco’s national goal is to market books that show up on the New York Times bestseller list.

The book will make the New York Times list July 13.

Jim Sinegal, co-founder of Costco, endorsed Barack Obama (video) at the Democratic National Convention in 2012. In total, Costco has given $100,000 to Obama and another $100,000 to Priorities USA, the pro-Obama super PAC. Sinegal was the author of an email blast sent out by the Obama campaign in July 2012. Obama also held a fundraiser at Sinegal’s house in Seattle.

Read “Costco removing D’Souza’s “America: Imagine the World Without Her,” from shelves. and then decide if you want to keep supporting this radical leftist and funding his donations to a regime dedicated to destroying America. This update, “Costco denies political motive for pulling D’Souza’s book,” expands upon the sorry saga.  

In January, Obama paid a visit to a Costco store in a Washington, D.C., suburb, “proving,” as Jaime Fuller of the Washington Post commented, “that his administration’s romance with the second-largest retailer in America is stronger than ever —- and might just be the most successful union of a politician and a supermarket in American history.”

Watch as D’Souza discusses his film:

 Then make plans to see it. 


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