Wars and rumors of wars

If Mexican drug violence spills across the U.S. border, Homeland Security officials say they have a contingency plan to assist border areas — including bringing in the military.

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who described the plan in an interview with The New York Times, said he ordered specific strategy to be drawn up this summer as violence in Mexico continued to escalate.

The soaring level of violence in Mexico resulting from the drug wars there has led the United States to develop plans for a “surge” of civilian and perhaps even military assistance from the Department of Defense, including aircraft, armored vehicles and special teams to go to areas overwhelmed with violence. should the bloodshed spread across the border, according to Chertoff.  Mexico’s spiraling criminal activity has caused more than 5,300 deaths in the last year — 2008.

Chertoff said that he had advised Arizona’s outgoing Gov Janet Napolitano, nominated by President-elect Obama to succeed him as homeland security secretary, that “I put helping Mexico get control of its borders and its organized crime problems” at the very top of the list of national security concerns.

Napolitano is renown for her comment illustrating her lack of commitment to constructing a security fence along our southern border: “Show me a 50-foot fence, and I’ll show you a 51-foot ladder,” was her blasé retort.

Arizonans know her all too well. Now her lack of commitment to national security will burden the entire United States.

15 Responses to Wars and rumors of wars

  1. CW says:

    “If Mexican drug violence spills across the U.S. border”

    Gimme a break! It’s already here.

  2. CrackleGator says:

    The mania fueling the drug trade across our borders is a predictable result when America’s crack heads demand and are willing to pay high prices for the contraband. It is no secret that when anything is outlawed it demands a much larger price. So why don’t we give up this tremendously wasteful, misdirected, foolish war on drugs and dry up the bucks the Mexican cartels lust for? It is time to put a halt to the so-called War On Drugs and retire a lot of fat cats in the U.S. burocracy who push papers and people around and accomplish nothing. Not one life has been saved by our misguided, corruption-riddled, profligate drug policy.

  3. nightcrawler says:


    Are you saying what I think you are saying ? Legalize drugs ? If so, you are far to the left of me and even further so to most of the people who frequent this board. Drugs are evil and destory many innocent lives. I would argue for hasher penalties to those that would poison our children. There is a place for you. It is called Amsterdam. Check it out.

  4. Jana Simmons says:

    Legalize drugs? You must be smoking some if you think that’s the message here. What kind of a society do you find acceptable? Have you ever been to Amsterdam and seen what that liberal concept has wrought? I have! It’s not what I want for my children or theirs.

    Using your argument, we would have less crime if we legalized murder. Decriminalize everything and we can save billions on costly law enforcement, prosecution and incarceration.

  5. Bill G. says:

    “IF” Mexican drug violence spills across our border? See Laredo Texas and the rash of kidnappings which are already known to have been perpetrated by Mexican drug gangs. Mexican violence spilled across our border when the Maryvale house was shot up just a couple months ago and the occupant murdered by Mexican parimilitary gang-some of whom are in custody.

    The violence referred to in the article is KNOWN to already be here. We need the military on the border now.

  6. CrackleGator says:

    When people say to “legalize” something, that implies it was a crime. Murder is a crime, always has been, always will be. But smoking funny stuff isn’t. It is a shame that people do stuff, just as it is shame people guzzle alcohol and drive cars and murder people under the influence. But . likewise, the mere act of drinking isn’t a crime.
    When our nation formally prohibited drinking, it turned out it wasn’t a crime after all, just against the law temporarily. Prohibition didn’t stop alcohol consumption, which is an insane habit.
    Drugs are insane also. But the War On Drugs hasn’t made a dent in the consumption of them, and because it is illegal you’ve got 8 thousand dead souls in Mexico to show for it. That violence is about to spill over bigtime in our communities.
    This entire subject is scary any way you look at it. But you must own up to the fact that the gazillions we are pouring into policing and incarcerating is not working.
    The War On Drugs is a farce, a bogus feel-good cabinet level bureaucracy that does absolutely nothing. You pay for it and it makes you feel like something is being done when, in fact, it is only worsening the situation.

  7. CrackleGator says:

    Nightcrawler, I don’t think it would be prudent to begin nailing me with such careless labels as being a leftie. I’m right as rain.
    But I believe we Americans have been propagandized to believe that the megabillion dollar colossal failure known as the War On Drugs is working to our benefit. It hasn’t, as the civil war in Mexico amply demonstrates.
    Drugs kill, alcohol kills, murder kills. Even prostitution as well as driving a car kills. If we really thought that mere legislation would curtail violent death we’d outlaw everything.
    Obviously we choose to continue legalizing alcohol, which takes untold lives. But keeping it legal eliminated the ruthless Al Capones of the Prohibition era. If you choose to drink and kill ourself, I think you would agree that is YOUR problem, not the government’s.
    What we are trying to do here is address the issues and solve them, not cast aspersions.

  8. nightcrawler says:

    Left or Right (in the Pure Libertarian sense) is still off the radio dial, at some point they meet, but that is isn’t important.

    If you want to fire up a bowl next to your lava lamp with a open box of Hostess Cup Cakes at the ready and a Cheech and Chong movie on the DVD, be my guest.

    That is a crime, not because you will damage your lungs with smoke, fry your mind with THC or eat too much afterwards. In that sense, you sow what you reap.

    However, when you pay a dealer that tries to upsell product or meth or heroin to teenagers in my neighborhood, we sir, have a problem.

    Drugs kill children everyday. Meth and heroin are especially harsh. This poison infects poor and rich families alike. Perhaps if you attended a funeral or two you might finally get it. The devastation is around us everywhere. I personally believe that drug dealing should be a capital offense given the number of lives that could be lost.

  9. ron says:

    How come no one wants to talk about treatment?

    Capitalism – supply meets demand.

    Cut the demand (i.e. treatment) and the supply goes away.

  10. CrackleGator says:

    Ron has an excellent point. Perhaps the War On Dugs should focus on treating these individuals who are victims instead of summarily incarcerating them. Money better spent

  11. CrackleGator says:

    Nightcrawler is right on point when he detests the people who are pushing drugs.
    And the reason they do so is because of the exorbitant profits that can be made from the fact that drugs have been made illegal. Take away the profit motive and drug pushing evaporates, much as did bathtub gin from the Roaring Twenties when Prohibition was overturned.
    No one goes around to junior high campuses selling pints of whisky because there is no profit in it. But there is in heroine and marijuana and and cocaine, all ov which were available over the counter at the turn of the Twentieth Century, by the way.
    Kick the legs out of the drug trade and protect this nation from the violence spilling over from down South.

  12. Vince L. says:

    I’m with you Crackle. Also, you don’t see folks sucking down a whiskey bottle in the public square because it’s illegal to do so. You can’t even have a beer in the park without a special permit, if they even have a process for that now.

    Substantially end the black market drug trade overnight with legalization and strict regulation. I’m for a trial period anyway. As it is, we are only repeating the prohibition mistake.

  13. nightcrawler says:

    You guys cannot be serious. Can you at least acknowledge that drugs are addictive and their abuse affects the health care system ?

    I can see it now, “Honey, can you run to the store and pick up some eggs, bread and a package of meth, oh and buy the way don’t forget the Powerball ticket”

  14. CrackleGator says:

    And here is even more stuff Nightcrawler and I agree on: the lottery is addictive, alcohol is addictive, government power is addictive, and drugs are addictive.
    So when the government outlawed alcohol we got more of it. When drugs were outlawed we got more of them, not less. When the government actively promotes a vice like gambling we get more of it.
    So why am I not surprised that certain correspondents of this thread would leap to government to solve problems that government is continuing to make worse by increasing its addictive power and reach?
    Funny. One minute you hedge against monsters selling dope to your kids, next you are sending your wife out to buy them because they are now decriminalized. Doesn’t make sense to me.

  15. nightcrawler says:

    I have an idea Gator, why don’t you print up “Legalize Pot” tee-shirts and you and Vince can wear them to the next EGC meeting. I’m sure that the leadership will be happy to have a word with our GOP elected officials about it. Rules are made to be broken, so why have them ?