AZ AG Horne illustrates legal path to rowdy illegals

A contingent of illegal students — warmly referred to simply as “dreamers” in the pro-amnesty Periódico de la República de Arizona (Arizona Republic) — hammered Arizona Attorney General Tom Horne, demanding he drop a lawsuit against the Maricopa County Community College District. Horne graciously agreed to meet with them and their supporters at his office on Thursday. At issue is the executive order allowing illegals who received federal work permits under Obama’s 2012 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program to pay in-state tuition.

In the state of Arizona, that order, which bypassed Congress, was predated by Proposition 300, passed by a stunning majority of 71.4 percent of Arizona voters in November 2006. It stipulated that college students who are not legal U.S. citizens or are without lawful immigration status must pay out-of-state tuition, and that such individuals are not eligible for financial assistance using taxpayer funding.

Horne told the students that he intends to proceed with the lawsuit. “As the Attorney General, I am obligated to enforce the law,” he said. In response, one of the activists called Attorney General Horne, “anti-immigrant and anti-education.”

They should have done a bit more research before hurling the insults at the Harvard educated lawyer. Horne was twice elected Arizona State Superintendent of Public Instruction, serving from 2003 to 2011. Previously, he served on the school board of Arizona’s third largest school district for 24 years, ten as its president. During his tenure in the state legislature, he chaired the Academic Accountability Committee.  Horne is hardly a piker in the education arena.

The verbal assault provided the soft-spoken Horne a teachable moment to respond that he was neither anti-education nor anti-immigrant. “You may not know this,” he told them, but as one who was born in Canada, he is also an immigrant. 

Tom Horne illustrates going about the citizenship process the legal way or illegally and making demands.

But these vocal opponents of the legal route aren’t ones to let facts get in the way of bullying. Following the meeting, they and their supporters continued their protests outside Horne’s office.

After Obama’s executive order went into effect, the Maricopa County Community College District unilaterally decided to allow illegal students who receive work permits through the program to pay in-state tuition. That policy was in opposition to an order issued by Gov. Jan Brewer saying illegals approved for deferred action under Obama’s program were ineligible for any public benefits.

The state Board of Regents, following that decree, deemed deferred action recipients ineligible for in-state tuition at the state’s three universities.

Horne filed a lawsuit in Superior Court seeking to require the Maricopa County Community College District to end the policy of charging in-state tuition to deferred action recipients — arguing in the lawsuit that the policy violates federal and state laws that prohibit those in the state illegally from receiving public benefits.

The substantial difference in-state and out-of-state tuition and fee schedules can be seen here.


10 Responses to AZ AG Horne illustrates legal path to rowdy illegals

  1. Observer says:

    Barack Hussein Obama issued his executive order for “Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals” just in time to coincide with the 2012 presidential election, ensuring a voting bloc of appreciative Hispanics. There is nothing he does without factoring in long term democrat party objectives. Now we read that congressional RepublicRATs are onboard with the dems to further increase the dems numbers and gut the republican party to the point of irrelevancy. We will be a party that is as significant as the Whigs thanks to the leadership of McCain, Flake and Rubio who are all amnesty clones.

  2. pcrcPC says:

    first, lets clear things up, without the bastardized language of liberal, prog, anti-americans.

    if you are an illegal alien YOU ARE NOT AN IMMIGRANT, you are an illegal foreign invader who violated MY country’s sovereignty and you deserve nothing better than to be sent back to wherever you came from, NEVER to return or receive ANY legal status.

    horne or nobody else should cede to the demands of these illegals by giving them an audience or considering what they choose to demand of the country and the taxpayers of the land they are illegally invading. they have zero credibility, are criminals, and should be treated as such.

    the United States of America is not the worlds welfare state.

    the pandering politicians who seek to destroy us by granting amnesty need to be tarred and feathered not reelected. I for one, and probably many millions more out there, will NEVER vote for and will only vote and work against ANY politician(s) who has supported destroying my country with ANY type of amnesty.

    if it is not repatriation, it IS amnesty.

    amnesty politicians will destroy the country if they get their way and I will do all I can to see their political careers destroyed as rapidly as possible. they do not care about u.s. citizens or the country, they care about the bribes received from lobbyist, special interest and illegal foreign invaders.

    they have committed the ultimate treason selling out the country to foreign nationals for money.

    they are worthy of nothing but our contempt and scorn and as rapid a removal from office as possible.

    do not assist your destroyer.

    • Vince says:

      Horne is not assisting the illegals. He is proceeding with his lawsuit restricting their ability to access in-state tuition. He serves as a bright light for LEGAL immigration.

      My nephew who was born in Arizona and lived here until the past four years, moving out of state due to his father’s job loss here, is unable to get in-state tuition. But ASU’s Michael Crow advocates for the illegals over American citizens like my nephew.

      And why did my brother lose his job? He worked in construction as an electrician and was displaced by illegal workers who undercut his salary. The company owners who engage in such practices are the culprits

    • eubykdisop says:

      pcrcPC: I think you need to be aware that you have attacked Adam Kwasman, for having some people on his campaign committee who are not Conservative, and that you are now jumping on Horne for meeting with illegal students, even though he set them straight.

      There are plenty out there who are Liberals and genuine RINO’s to go after. ;-)

      • pcrcPC says:

        Learn to read.

        I did not “jump” on horne, I pointed out a mistake commonly made by republicans in legitimizing things that are not. Illegal are foreign invaders not deserving of any consideration other than going back to wherever they came from.

        When illegals want to have a meeting they should just be told, no, you want a meeting with your govt officials go back to your own country and meet with them.

        I stand firmly in my stance against kwasman and his foolish choice of pro-obrewercare politicians shope and Orr. Shope and Orr need to be shunned, not allowed to even caucus with republicans and certainly do not need their political carreers resuscitated by another republican. In propping them up he is helping them to stay in office where they will again have opportunities to stab us in the back, by giving them that opportunity kwasman is stabbing us in the back. I’m certainly sure many people who are out working in the az summer sun collecting petition signatures to get obrewercare on the ballot do not appreciate kwasman supporting two of the traitors who have forced them to undertake the effort. Kwasman is helping to perpetuate the political careers of shope and orr when they only deserve being tossed out of office and scorned.

      • eubykdisop says:

        pcrcPC, I’ve cut you slack because you’re new here and because you seem Conservative. I’ve ignored your comments to me which were cutting and responded in a mild manner. You apparently mistake that for weakness. That IS a mistake and now you’re going to find out just how much of a mistake it is. It’s time to box your ears!

        I knew how to read long before you were born. With luck, and a lot of effort, you may learn how to write.

        pcrcPC wrote: “I did not “jump” on horne, I pointed out a mistake commonly made by republicans in legitimizing things that are not.” That’s “Horne”, by the way, with an upper case “H” because it’s a proper name or a proper noun. Keep studying and you’ll learn those things.

        Yes, that IS jumping on Horne! No mistake was made. Horne didn’t “legitimize” anything. He showed no fear, took them on, turned the tables on them and made them look like fools. THAT is a victory of the highest order.

        pcrcPC wrote: “When illegals want to have a meeting they should just be told, no, you want a meeting with your govt officials go back to your own country and meet with them.”

        When you become the Attorney General of Arizona, feel free to do that. Mr. Horne is too smart to do that as it would garner sympathy for the illegals. It would be playing into their hands and make Attorney General Horne and Republicans appear to be petty. The Liberal left could spin it to our detriment. You don’t give the enemy ammunition! Mr. Horne played his hand perfectly. He met with them only to debunk their propaganda and his sound refutation of their garbage is, therefore, what is remembered!

        pcrcPC wrote: “…by giving them that opportunity kwasman is stabbing us in the back.” Now THAT is a bunch of LIBERAL crap! Kwasman isn’t stabbing anyone in the back. He has a reasonable voting record AND, when the chips were down, he voted AGAINST Brewer’s expansion of Medicaid and was very vocal in his opposition to both Brewer AND the expansion. If every Republican in the Arizona legislature performed as well as Kwasman, we wouldn’t have Obama’s Medicaid expansion now!

        You write so that you SOUND Conservative but the bottom line is that you have attacked Kwasman and you have attacked Attorney General Horne. In a Conservative blog like SRAZ, you can’t get away with camouflaging attacks on decent politicians. Conservatives are NOT stupid Neanderthals and they easily see through such feeble deceptions.

        pcrcPC wrote: “I stand firmly in my stance against kwasman…” I’ve heard THAT line from Liberal trolls in this blog before, LOL! Again, the “K” should be upper case because, again, it is a proper name or a proper noun.

        I don’t give a rat’s patootie whether your stance is firm or not and, as things stand now, I’ll contribute to Kwasman’s campaign because his record is acceptable and I don’t see anyone with a BETTER record in that race. Now you go out and cut down Kwasman, like a good Liberal leftie, so that the Obama Democrat can win!

  3. East Valley Voter says:

    The illegals gall is surpassed only by Obama’s blatant pandering and his obvious efforts to bring in millions of more Democrats. My question is, why are ANY Republicans involved in promoting this scheme? The result of taxpayers funding education for illegal aliens (regardless of what age they say they were when they arrived!) will be less classroom availability for citizen students and fewer jobs for citizens upon graduation as they compete with imported and preferentially treated foreign workers. What is the purpose of contributing to our own destruction? I’d sure as hell like to ask that question at the town halls that aren’t taking place.

  4. Helen Post says:

    This is a real gem…..don’t let facts get in the way of their agendas (ie. their handouts)!


  5. eubkdisop says:

    Let’s cut to the bottom line here. Obama’s executive order is in violation of federal law!

    “8 U.S.C. § 1623 : US Code – Section 1623: Limitation on eligibility for preferential treatment of aliens not lawfully present on basis of residence for higher education benefits”

    “(a) In general
    Notwithstanding any other provision of law, an alien who is not
    lawfully present in the United States shall not be eligible on the
    basis of residence within a State (or a political subdivision) for
    any postsecondary education benefit unless a citizen or national
    of the United States is eligible for such a benefit (in no less an
    amount, duration, and scope) without regard to whether the citizen
    or national is such a resident.
    (b) Effective date
    This section shall apply to benefits provided on or after July 1,

    So if the Maricopa Community College District charges additional tuition fees for out-of-state students who are U. S. citizens then it may not, under the law, give illegal aliens the benefit of in-state tuition rates.

    “Maricopa Community College District Adopted Tuition & Fee Schedule FY 2013-2014”

    “Out-of-State Resident”

    “Out-of-State Surcharge $241.00”

    The Maricopa Community College District DOES have a tuition surcharge for out-of-state U. S. citizens, THEREFORE it may NOT provide in-state tuition benefits to illegal aliens under federal law!

    Do Obama’s “work permits” under his Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program confer lawful status?

    “U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services”

    “Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals Process”

    “Deferred action does not provide an individual with lawful status.”

    No, those work permits DO NOT confer lawful status! So these students remain illegal aliens and, therefore, may not, under federal law, receive in-state tuition benefits in the Maricopa Community College District!

  6. Night Owl says:

    Illegal aliens who say they are under age 31 and claim they were brought to the USA as minors can stay here to work and go to school without fear of deportation. But a rarely stated fact is there is no mechanism for assessing the accuracy of such claims. Someone could have entered the US last week and said they were brought here as a babe in arms and it gets them a free pass. There is no disincentive for breaking our laws, resulting in a massive incentive for doing so.