AZ Dems Barber, Sinema join GOP majority to stall Obamacare

Votes indicate strong fear of vulnerability in 2014 elections

Thirty-nine U.S. House Democrats undercut Barack Obama and his centerpiece healthcare legislation Friday, helping the Republican majority pass a bill that allows a one-year reprieve for Americans to keep health plans that do not comply with the flawed and error plagued Obamacare.

The defections from members of Obama’s party highlighted the pressure on Congress to assist those who lost coverage because of the president’s obviously troubled signature law.

Here in Arizona, Democrat defectors voting for Keep Your Health Plan Act of 2013 (H R 3350) were Ron Barber (CD-2) and Kyrsten Sinema (CD-9). Both are up for reelection and were reading the tea leaves of their districts. Their Dem seatmates Ann Kirkpatrick (CD-1), Raul Grijalva (CD-3) and Ed Pastor (CD-7) in safer districts held fast to the liberal line.

Republicans Matt Salmon (CD-5), David Schweikert (CD-6), and Trent Franks (CD-8) voted with the majority.  Paul Gosar (CD-4) who previously called Obamacare “fundamentally flawed,“ was mysteriously missing.

Despite a veto threat from Obama and objections from his sycophantic minions, the House passed the bill, 261 to 157. Click on the link to view the final roll call votes.

The concise one-page bill can be read here. Obamacare contains nearly 20,000 pages. Here it is wrapped in a red ribbon. No wonder Nancy Pelosi advocated on behalf of passing the bill so we could then find out what was in it.

11 Responses to AZ Dems Barber, Sinema join GOP majority to stall Obamacare

  1. LD 23 PC says:

    A pre-election rightward lurch by liberals is known as political expediency.

  2. eubykdisop says:

    Things are looking even worse for Barry and Obamacare on the Senate side!

    “But Democrats are separately pursuing two additional pieces of legislation on the Senate side that — if they can convince Reid to consider them — could prove problematic for the president.”

    “Both those bills go further than even the House bill.”

    “One, from Sen. Mark Udall, D-Colo., would allow the old policies to be extended for another two years.”

    “The other, from Sen. Mary Landrieu, D-La., would effectively allow an indefinite extension of those plans by grandfathering in all plans as late as Dec. 31, 2013.”

    “Both bills were continuing to attract Democratic supporters after Obama’s announcement.”

    “Sen. Mark Begich, D-Alaska, said after Obama’s proposal that he would be supporting the Udall bill.”

    “Landrieu also announced the support of Sen. Joe Donnelly, D-Ind., for her bill. Donnelly joins fellow Democratic Sens. Dianne Feinstein, of California, and Jeff Merkley, of Oregon, in backing the Landrieu bill.”

    Maybe this has something to do with the stampede to the right:

    “Fox News Poll: Republicans regain ground on Congressional ballot”

    “November 13, 2013”

    “What a difference a couple weeks makes. Republicans have a slim three-point advantage when Americans are asked about their vote preference for Congress in the latest Fox News poll. That’s an 11 percentage-point shift from last month when Democrats had an 8-point edge.”

    “The poll finds “if the Congressional election were held today,” 43 percent of voters would back the Republican in their district and 40 percent the Democratic candidate.”

    “That’s a reversal from last month when 45 percent backed the Democratic candidate and 37 percent the Republican (October 20-22, 2013).”

    When Obama’s lies hit voters in the wallet, voters hit back at the polls! ;-)

  3. ZOO says:

    Healthcare insurers are expressing rejection of the “keep your existing insurance” bill on the basis of ‘changing the rules in the middle of the game’. This would put insurance carriers in a position of maintaining thousands of policies that provide coverages short of the Obamacare mandate, but theoretically at insufficient (existing) premium levels.

    Then this ‘risk group’ would be combined with thousands of new contracts meeting the broadened coverages under Obamacare with known ‘unprofitable’ policyholders at insufficient “unsubsidized” premium levels. This is an actuarial disaster. The subsidy is in fact the higher premiums insurers were expecting to garner in the cancellation/rewrite process of existing contracts.

    The House bill is also seeing resistance from many state insurance commissioners whose main function is to monitor, regulate, and maintain insurance carrier solvency.

    Fred Upton’s House bill does not mandate insurers to maintain existing contracts, and basically is a ‘resolution’ giving them that option. According to an op-ed on “Red State”, Senator Mary Landrieu (D-LA) has introduced a bill that does mandate insurance carriers maintain existing contracts. The long-term Republican policy has been one that rejects mandates on private businesses as a government overreach.

    The Red State’s author maintains that when Upton’s bill is sent to the Senate, Harry Reid will substitute the Landrieu bill and send it back to the House forcing Republicans to pass Landrieu’s “mandate”, or be perceived as pro-insurance company and anti-consumer in rejection.

    What a mess!

    • eubykdisop says:

      Well, that’s just fascinating, my Liberal troll friend! What is even more fascinating, however, is your pitch supporting Medicaid expansion in Arizona. You know, just like the Democrat caucus supported it. You claim that Brewer’s Medicaid expansion will actually save Arizona money:

      “The reality here is that the Federal government has expanded the Medicaid program to 138% of FPL (above and separate from Obamacare), and the expansion of AHCCCS addresses that issue – to reduce the bottom line expense to the state under the Federal expansion.” – ZOO

      Like all Liberals, however, you conveniently left something out!

      “For the first three years, the federal government has promised to cover 100% of the medical costs for the newly eligible Medicaid enrollees, and yet the cost to Arizona’s General Fund for the first year alone would be $154 million. The costs to the state are a result of the fact that the federal reimbursement rate of 100% applies only to the direct medical expenses of the newly eligible enrollees, not the additional administrative costs. Additionally, the 100% reimbursement rate does not apply to those new enrollees who were previously eligible but either did not know it or otherwise failed to enroll.”

      Not only did you try to sell Medicaid expansion in this blog but you are also willing to support Randy Pullen who wrote this article heavily pitching Medicaid expansion in Arizona, even citing Pullen’s article yourself!


      “Republican leadership needs to step forward and make another smart choice – follow the Governor’s lead.”

      I don’t know how to break this to you, ZOO, but Conservatives don’t think that we should have followed the Governor’s lead or that doing so was a “smart choice”, as Pullen claims. But then it would be unrealistic to expect that a Liberal Obama troll would know what Conservatives think.

      Now you have yourself a wonderful day, ZOO! :-)

      • Army Of One says:

        Let’s not start this name calling again. All commenters have a right to their opinion. We don’t have to agree. As a conservative, I enjoy reading other perspectives trying to get a handle on what makes them tick. I have learned a great deal from your well researched comments, but that doesn’t mean that the same isn’t true for ZOO’s perspectives. Calling longtime commenters “liberal trolls” is unnecessary and harms this very good site. I don’t tolerate name calling with the kids in my family and have a feeling you don’t either.

      • eubykdisop says:

        Hey, sit on it, Army of One. It’s political weaklings and apologists like you who have undermined Conservatism by putting superficial political correctness over principles. Now, let’s shred your disingenuous comment, shall we?

        “Name calling”? I have presented a plethora of hard facts which you trivialize and misrepresent as “name calling”. You’re not fooling real Conservatives with your semantic manipulations!

        Army of One wrote: “As a conservative, I enjoy reading other perspectives trying to get a handle on what makes them tick.”

        If you enjoy reading “other perspectives”, trying to get a handle on what makes them tick, go read Daily Kos. This is a Conservative blog!

        Army of One wrote: “Calling longtime commenters “liberal trolls” is unnecessary and harms this very good site.”

        A feeble tactic right out of the Liberal playbook! This is the “harm’s the site” tactic. Really? Prove that SRAZ has been harmed and demonstrate in what manner it has been harmed. Come on, big boy. You made the statement. Put your money where your mouth is! Or are you just blowing hot air?

        The next Liberal tactic you employ is the “false choice” tactic. You provide a false choice between ZOO being a “longtime commenter” and being a Liberal troll. The problem is that the two are not mutually exclusive! There is nothing that Moses brought down the mountain on tablets of stone which commands that a “longtime commenter” cannot also be a Liberal troll! Duh! In fact, Liberal trolls are trolls by virtue of the fact that they are not consistently overtly Liberal. It’s a confidence game, a stealth attack!

        Army of One wrote: “I don’t tolerate name calling with the kids in my family and have a feeling you don’t either.”

        And you close with another shot at attempting to trivialize and demean a plethora of hard, factual evidence as “name calling”. Judging by your comment, it sounds like things would be better in your family if the kids were calling the shots!

        Now you have yourself a nice day, Army of One. :-)

        BTW, I haven’t forgotten how you pulled this kind of crap with Liberal trolls who have posted at SRAZ in the past, like Westnash. You now have a clear track record of being soft on Liberal trolls in this blog. Funny how you always seem to speak out when a Liberal troll is being taken to task! Yeah, very funny!

  4. eubykdisop says:

    Army of One:

    Now, let’s discuss the facts!

    The first fact is that ZOO tried to sell the readers of this blog on the idea that Brewer’s Medicaid expansion is not a very important issue. Here’s my proof that that fact:

    “Some conservative pundits are touting 2014 and 2016 will have to be the time to “get 60% of what you want.” I hate that forecast, but in this particular race I’ll accept it. In my situation, Obrewercare expansion is not the end of the world. There are burning issues that usurp it.” – ZOO

    “I don’t recall ever coming here to rant about the Medicaid expansion because as I honestly said, I just don’t see it as an earthshaking issue when then are much more crushing/destructive issues at hand.” – ZOO

    The truth is that Medicaid expansion was and is a HUGE issue as evidenced by the fact that there were heated battles over it in the state legislature and Brewer used strong arm tactics to get it passed. Consider this headline:

    “Jan Brewer Vetoes Bills After Vowing Not To Sign Legislation Until State Passes Medicaid Expansion”

    “Arizona Gov. Jan Brewer (R) vetoed five bills Thursday, the first to reach her desk since she vowed to veto all legislation until the state Legislature addresses Medicaid expansion and passes a state budget.”

    And what did Conservative A. J. LaFaro, head of the Maricopa County Republican Committee, have to say about Brewer and her Medicaid expansion?

    “Brewer called a ‘Judas’ on health”

    “PHOENIX – Comparing her directly to Judas, the head of the Maricopa County Republican Committee blasted Gov. Jan Brewer on Wednesday for her bid to expand the state’s Medicaid program.”

    So ZOO began by attempting to portray a major political issue in Arizona as something relatively unimportant. THAT is a gross misrepresentation! Who does that misrepresentation serve, Liberals or Conservatives?

    It is Liberals who backed Medicaid expansion and it is Liberals who now want this issue, and the battles surrounding it, to quietly go away and to be quickly forgotten. After all, there are people like Randy Pullen, who staunchly backed Brewer and her Medicaid expansion, who would like to be elected to public office and if Republicans remain angry with Pullen’s support for Brewer and her Medicaid expansion, Randy might find it difficult to get elected!

  5. eubykdisop says:

    Army of One:

    ZOO made a case in support of Brewer’s Medicaid expansion, linking to and summarizing an article by Randy Pullen arguing in favor of the passage of Brewer’s Medicaid expansion. Is that Conservative? From “Townhall”:

    “Governor Brewer Betrays Conservatives, Forces Through Huge Obamacare Medicaid Expansion”

    “Rachel Alexander, Jun 17, 2013”

    “Once considered a conservative governor due to signing SB 1070, which toughened up illegal immigration laws, Arizona’s Governor Jan Brewer has now destroyed that reputation. Last week, she called a surprise special session of the legislature, and allying with Democrats, bullied through Obamacare’s massive expansion of Medicaid, known as AHCCCS in Arizona. The bullying tactics she used to coerce Republican legislators into voting for it were so appalling, they made national news and have prominent Republicans all over the state speaking out in outrage.”

    “Brewer called legislators into the State Capitol at 5 p.m. last Tuesday, and kept them there until they passed the bill at 3:40 a.m.”

    “Brewer even devised a plan to oust Senate President Andy Biggs and House Speaker Andy Tobin, both Republicans, from their leadership positions if they tried to stop her Medicaid expansion from coming up for a vote.”

    What? A plan to oust the Senate President and House Speaker if they tried to stop Brewer’s Medicaid expansion from coming up for a vote? Could that really be true?

    “Brewer, coalition called off plan to oust GOP leaders”

    “By Jeremy Duda, June 13, 2013”

    “Gov. Jan Brewer confirmed that she and the legislative members of her pro-Medicaid expansion coalition crafted a plan to oust Senate President Andy Biggs and House Speaker Andy Tobin from their leadership positions when lawmakers went into special session.”

    “But she said the action was never taken because the two Republican leaders “did the smart thing” and did not try to stop the bipartisan coalition from bringing the budget up for a vote.”

    Now, Army of One, explain to me how ZOO’s support for Brewer’s Medicaid expansion, and his willingness to support Randy Pullen who backed Brewer and her Medicaid expansion, is not Liberal but rather Conservative and represents backing the sort of good governance which Conservatives support.

  6. LEO IN TSN says:

    Well, let’s see, maybe I’m just confused. The Marxists in Congress, amidst much wailing & gnashing of teeth over facing re-election next year, implored Obamao to postpone this control grab for one year (until after the elections). Obamao tried it by Executive Order (fancy that) and the R’s said he couldn’t legally change the original bill just to protect the re-election of his Marxist buddies. They knew someone would sue.

    So what did the R’s do? They put together their own bill to postpone the control grab for one year, until after the elections, to protect who? – their Marxist opponents? – or them, who are inclined to give Obamao anything he wants in creating a global nation-state?

    They just take the pressure off of everybody, to protect everybody? – except the American people?? – and the most destructive control grab in American history is still in place, but after the next election??? – and they have just added in a two-year buffer before the following election???? Yup, I’m confused. Is this what they call “DC sleight-of-hand?” – and this from all of the quislings who refused to defund obamaocare and stop it in its tracks, and then went on to denigrate conservative patriotic American congressmen who were trying to get it done????? – and nobody is concerned that the Marxists are supporting this bill – isn’t that a red hammer & sickle flag?? I guess I just don’t see the Big Picture.

    God bless America.

    • eubykdisop says:

      Good one, Leo! You are awarded the Oak Leaf Cluster with Fluted Urn and Finial Dangle for that one! Wear it proudly! ;-)

  7. Realist says:

    Well…looks like someone (i.e., euby) is feeling better and getting back to normal. Ha!